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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    p.s actually the dodgers have been to the world series 3 times in the last 4 years.. are you paying attention cashman?

    And they have won how many of them? I mean that's the criteria you use for the Yankees, why not the Dodgers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones View Post
    1. Improves poor defense at SS, a key defensive position.
    2. Adds a lefty bat to balance out the line-up.
    3. Gives us a young stud about to enter his prime.
    4. Provides us with a legitimate leadoff hitter and allows us to drop DJ to the 3 hole to drive in more runs through contact.
    1. Torres's defense at short will improve over time, but I won't argue that there will be improved defense at short with lindor. I assume you want to move torres to second, decreasing defense at that position, and increasing defense at first with DJ, and losing 40 home runs at 1st base by losing voit.
    2. One or two lefty bats in a all righty lineup will make no difference.
    3. Whether lindor is young or not, does not impact a team looking to win right now.
    4. Hicks has a much higher OBP then Lindor

    Lindor will take significant resources to sign. Is 30 million dollars a year a good use of resources in order to improve defense at short? I would say, this is very poor judgement if it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webslinger View Post
    1. Torres's defense at short will improve over time, but I won't argue that there will be improved defense at short with lindor. I assume you want to move torres to second, decreasing defense at that position, and increasing defense at first with DJ, and losing 40 home runs at 1st base by losing voit.
    2. One or two lefty bats in a all righty lineup will make no difference.
    3. Whether lindor is young or not, does not impact a team looking to win right now.
    4. Hicks has a much higher OBP then Lindor

    Lindor will take significant resources to sign. Is 30 million dollars a year a good use of resources in order to improve defense at short? I would say, this is very poor judgement if it happens.

    Lindor hit 30+ hr in each of the 3 seasons before this one. So you wouldn't lose 40 a year without Voit.

    Extra lefty bats do help this much of a right handed lineup.

    Lindor helps the team win right now and he's young.

    Lindor career OBP is 346. Hicks is 332. hicks had a 379 this year and Lindor a 335 but that's a one season comparison.
    Also Lindor's career average is 285 to hicks's 235

    As a yankees for 5 years hicks is 240 avg, 346 OBP and 60 hr

    Lindor in his last in 6 years, 3510 PA- 285 avg. 346. OBP. 138 HR
    Hicks is hurt way more and not as consistent offensively
    Lindor has also stolen almost 99 bases and hicks has stolen 55.

    I don't understand why you made the Hicks comparison. I don't know why both can't be in the lineup. But Lindor is without question a better leadoff hitter.

    The money aspect? If it improves the infield and productivity of the lineup, I don't see it as poor judgement.
    Is the money better spent for a TORP? Possibly but a contact hitter who is lefty, plays gold glove caliber SS and can run seems like a significant upgrade and worth the money if it doesn't prevent them from getting a pitcher as well



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Lindor hit 30+ hr in each of the 3 seasons before this one. So you wouldn't lose 40 a year without Voit.

    Extra lefty bats do help this much of a right handed lineup.

    Lindor helps the team win right now and he's young.

    Lindor career OBP is 346. Hicks is 332. hicks had a 379 this year and Lindor a 335 but that's a one season comparison.
    Also Lindor's career average is 285 to hicks's 235

    As a yankees for 5 years hicks is 240 avg, 346 OBP and 60 hr

    Lindor in his last in 6 years, 3510 PA- 285 avg. 346. OBP. 138 HR
    Hicks is hurt way more and not as consistent offensively
    Lindor has also stolen almost 99 bases and hicks has stolen 55.

    I don't understand why you made the Hicks comparison. I don't know why both can't be in the lineup. But Lindor is without question a better leadoff hitter.

    The money aspect? If it improves the infield and productivity of the lineup, I don't see it as poor judgement.
    Is the money better spent for a TORP? Possibly but a contact hitter who is lefty, plays gold glove caliber SS and can run seems like a significant upgrade and worth the money if it doesn't prevent them from getting a pitcher as well

    As far as offense goes all you're doing is adding by subtracting. Lindor doesn't slug as much as Voit, nor does he hit in the clutch, like Voit, or get on base as much as Voit.. Luke Voit is one of the top hitters in the AL since 2018, despite playing through an injury last year, which diminished his stats. Lindor makes more contact and strikes out less, that's it.

    I consider Hicks to be the leadoff hitter on this team, despite the fact that Aaron Boone keeps on plugging him in the middle of the order. Hicks's OBP since he's turned it around is .362 from 2017 till now. During that same period, Lindors has been .341. I'm not counting the first 5 years where Hicks forgot how to hit. That's like compiling the stats Urshela had with the indians to say, look, this is the kind of player Gio is, currently.

    If there's a choice between getting Scherzer or Verlander, over lindor, I'll take those 2 any day and every day, over some extra defense at short. The one thing they've been missing these last few years has been pitching, during the season and after it. It is not defense at short, or any other position, which has kept them from going further into the post season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webslinger View Post
    1. Torres's defense at short will improve over time, but I won't argue that there will be improved defense at short with lindor. I assume you want to move torres to second, decreasing defense at that position, and increasing defense at first with DJ, and losing 40 home runs at 1st base by losing voit.
    2. One or two lefty bats in a all righty lineup will make no difference.
    3. Whether lindor is young or not, does not impact a team looking to win right now.
    4. Hicks has a much higher OBP then Lindor

    Lindor will take significant resources to sign. Is 30 million dollars a year a good use of resources in order to improve defense at short? I would say, this is very poor judgement if it happens.
    Torres’ defense at SS will not improve. No range. No arm. Not quick enough.

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    Bauer is reportedly telling teams he wants a Strasburg type, long term deal, so we can pretty much rule him out coming here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones View Post
    Torres’ defense at SS will not improve. No range. No arm. Not quick enough.
    torres has a very good arm it's his concentration on routine ground balls that is a problem..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Bauer is reportedly telling teams he wants a Strasburg type, long term deal, so we can pretty much rule him out coming here
    Odd year do decide he no longer wants 1 year deals and now wants a long term deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YANKSGUY View Post
    And they have won how many of them? I mean that's the criteria you use for the Yankees, why not the Dodgers?
    i will be shocked if the dodgers do not win this world series...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webslinger View Post
    As far as offense goes all you're doing is adding by subtracting. Lindor doesn't slug as much as Voit, nor does he hit in the clutch, like Voit, or get on base as much as Voit.. Luke Voit is one of the top hitters in the AL since 2018, despite playing through an injury last year, which diminished his stats. Lindor makes more contact and strikes out less, that's it.

    I consider Hicks to be the leadoff hitter on this team, despite the fact that Aaron Boone keeps on plugging him in the middle of the order. Hicks's OBP since he's turned it around is .362 from 2017 till now. During that same period, Lindors has been .341. I'm not counting the first 5 years where Hicks forgot how to hit. That's like compiling the stats Urshela had with the indians to say, look, this is the kind of player Gio is, currently.

    If there's a choice between getting Scherzer or Verlander, over lindor, I'll take those 2 any day and every day, over some extra defense at short. The one thing they've been missing these last few years has been pitching, during the season and after it. It is not defense at short, or any other position, which has kept them from going further into the post season.
    Scherzer for s short deal? I agree. Verlander just had TJ surgery and is out till 2022 at high point he will be 39. So hard pass on him over Lindor.

    Sadly, if Stanton could be moved, we'd have the best of all worlds.

    DJ
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    Cashman was incredibly short sighted in his signing of Stanton. Get rid of his contract and you could have Bauer and Lindor.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSoSlick View Post
    Odd year do decide he no longer wants 1 year deals and now wants a long term deal.

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    figures coming of a likely CY Young, time to cash in? i agree a very odd yr to try and top the 2nd biggest pitching contract ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    figures coming of a likely CY Young, time to cash in? i agree a very odd yr to try and top the 2nd biggest pitching contract ever
    It would be a surprise if he got that type of deal.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    figures coming of a likely CY Young, time to cash in? i agree a very odd yr to try and top the 2nd biggest pitching contract ever
    I just don't know if a team is going to want to commit that many years and dollars to a player who hasn't been very consistent in his career.

    Also, during a pandemic where they don't know if fans will be allowed at stadiums or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    It would be a surprise if he got that type of deal.
    I think its more likely he gets a 1-2yr deal with an AAV higher than Coles vs getting a bigger long term deal than Strasberg got last yr. IMO his one chance is if Cohen decides he's going to flex his wallet and make a big splash on FA this winter

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    One of the biggest things i see different between us and the Dodgers/Rays is their versatility. The have multiple guys that play multiple positions well and they can hit most anywhere in the order. Other than DJ we don't have that

    IMO they have adopted a new more effective way to develop a lineup and were still stuck doing it a less effective way. Power in your lineup is a very effective way to win in the regular season but high contact and versatility are seeming to be just as important in your lineup in the post season

    I'm completely overlooking the pitching part but that a different part of the conversation

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