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    Quote Originally Posted by 808yankee View Post
    Interesting, Sanchez does have good stuff!
    2016 last season he hsd a e.r.a under 4. and a few years over 5 since good stuff does not equate to being a effective pitcher..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 808yankee View Post
    Marquez is a great idea Dayners! I thought about him while looking thru teams trying to find quality SP's but I never brought him up because I am not sure the Rockies would trade him. Marquez is young and has the stuff of a #2, it would be a hard sell to try and convince the Rockies to part with him. But what do I know, I'm just a fan lol. If the Yankees can get him, that'd be awesome.

    A lot of people don't want Paxton back but if the Yankees medical team believes he is 100% or close to it, I would be down for them to offer him a 1 yr prove it deal. If healthy, a 97 mph throwing lefty SP is like gold. If healthy he has the 2nd best stuff of all the free agent SPs after Bauer. Again, that's a big IF. Yankees medical team most do their homework and provide a good assessment whether he is healthy or not to Cashman. Besides it's really hard for me to just throw away Paxton like this after seeing what Sheffield did this year. Don't want to see Paxton succeed like Gray the year after leaving the Yankees
    i looked at his contract details, MLB.Com has Marquez listed as arbitration eligible but he signed a 5 yr 43m deal with an AAV of 8.5m. With that kinda cheap contract we'd absolutely have to blow them away with an offer for them to even consider it. I like the idea but there are going to be cheaper solutions available .

    I completely agree with everything you said about Paxton. If the medical team approves him and he's willing to structure a 1yr deal heavily incentive based i'd have no problem bring him back. I don't think there is another FA starter that offers as much possible value compared to his salary as Paxton does next yr. 1yr 5m base isn;t going to break the bank for the Yanks and its only 1yr, so the risk is minimal IMO. If he gets his 2019 2nd half form even for 150 innings he would massively out perform his contract.

    I also agree that i hate to lose him for nothing. He was so good when he was throwing 97-100 and had his split and CU working and very fun to watch. I would just hate to see him walk only to rebound somewhere else like Gray has. Atleast we got a good pick for Gray for Paxton we would get nothing. I would actually be surprised if he didn't have an average Paxton yr or slightly better next yr i just highly doubt its with us.

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    Thing is his current injury is to his elbow , isnít that kind usually a precursor to TJ? Even if it isnít I donít think itís worth any money to take that chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    if the yanks do not do anything big off season no sense in even watching the team next year..the script will be set another playoff defeat....without getting to the world series...
    Let's seeif I've got that right, if we don't have a sure trip to the WS next year, there's no sense watching any games next year, right? Don't let this secret out or about 25 or 27 other stadiums will be as empty as all of them were this year. When all of those 27 teams fold, who will be left for the Yanks to play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    2016 last season he hsd a e.r.a under 4. and a few years over 5 since good stuff does not equate to being a effective pitcher..
    Hence the move to the BP where he can scrap trying to find a 3rd/4th pitch that he can throw effectively. Moving to the BP where he can just throw his plus or better FB/CB would take care of his problems as a starter, 3rd/4th pitches and getting through a lineup multiple times.

    If Hal decides to spend the off season gets alot easier, DJ, Bauer and sign a couple relievers at the top of the market. Use some of the younger cheap talent we have to acquire another TORP were going to see teams dump because of their salary . Look for similar salary dumps of expensive high end talent to get more contact orientated, SH or LHed hitters to balance the lineup. Even if Hal opens his wallet wide they won't exceed the 3rd luxury tax threshold so all 3 of DJ, Bauer and Realmuto won't happen but they definitely need to explore an upgrade at C.

    If Hal isn't going to let us spend much that means we have to get creative and take fliers on guys like Sanchez who could be had for a minimal salary VS a Yates, Hand, ect that are still going to get 7m plus a yr in this market. The Rays didn't build a WS team on the budget they did by playing it safe and not taking cheap, short term risk

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Aaron Sanchez is another buy low FA option i would love to see the Yanks explore for the BP. He has always had incredible stuff but his FB/CB are especially wicked. He's another guy who could provide incredible value out of the BP as either a multi innings or 6th 7th inning roles. Chad Green with better stuff
    Maybe. If blake can fix him then he can be a huge asset as a multi innings reliever, but i rather take my chances on Brad Peacock, who had minor shoulder surgery and will come pretty cheap. He's both an option for the bullpen and the rotation.

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    Get them both. They are both coming back from injury and I can't imagine they are going to be in big demand. Give them 1yr2 -3m base with incentives and with the way the market for those type of guys is shaping up we could probably get them cheaper than that.

    With the Yanks extremely likely to non tender Kahnle because he'll miss all of next yr, we'll need atleast 2 middle innings guy. I'd be happy if they took a chance on either.

    If teams non tender as many players as they expect and the resulting FA market its very probable these guys will have to take a MILB deal with roster bonus or something if they make 40 and 25 man roster.

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    I'm not too enthusiastic about 2021 or 2022 for that matter. The Yankees are starting to operate like a dinosaur. We are never ahead of the curve. We are a large market team that has fallen in love with small market strategy. The only problem is that we don't follow through with that small market strategy and sell players when they have excess value (Voit) or when they approach FA (Judge) to collect more assets.

    We are 4 years into our window, which is closing fast, and now we have a true ace. For a big market team, that means go all in. Spend money and sell minor league assets to acquire missing pieces and hold players accountable. This means (a) extend DJ, (b) sign Bauer, (c) trade for Lindor, (d) sign tanaka and (e) use Sevy/German to bolster the bullpen. Obviously, Sanchez, Voit and Andujar would be used as trade chips and Gardy would be watching games on TV.

    If we aren't willing to do that, then our window is closed and we should just sell to acquire young assets and prepare for future FA signings. Sell Chapman, Judge, Voit, Ottavino, Hicks, Sanchez. Sign the SS from DR. Shame Stanton to accept a trade and eat as much cash as necessary. Get control of payroll and let the kids play. Reset below cap. Let covid run its course. I'd probably still sign DJ and Brantley to provide some leadership. We could get a kings ransom and still have a team which competes for a wild card in 2021. Frazier, Brantley and Florial in the OF. Gio, Torres, Wade/Estrada, DJ, Higgy in IF. Andujar at DH. Cole, Deivi/Sevy, German, Monty, Schmidt/King in rotation. Bullpen still would have Britton and Green. I bet that team would be more enjoy able to watch and the results probably wouldn't be as different as you think.

    And then after the season fill the holes and start a new window. Sign Lindor. Sign Thor. Bolster the bullpen a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones View Post
    I'm not too enthusiastic about 2021 or 2022 for that matter. The Yankees are starting to operate like a dinosaur. We are never ahead of the curve. We are a large market team that has fallen in love with small market strategy. The only problem is that we don't follow through with that small market strategy and sell players when they have excess value (Voit) or when they approach FA (Judge) to collect more assets.

    We are 4 years into our window, which is closing fast, and now we have a true ace. For a big market team, that means go all in. Spend money and sell minor league assets to acquire missing pieces and hold players accountable. This means (a) extend DJ, (b) sign Bauer, (c) trade for Lindor, (d) sign tanaka and (e) use Sevy/German to bolster the bullpen. Obviously, Sanchez, Voit and Andujar would be used as trade chips and Gardy would be watching games on TV.

    If we aren't willing to do that, then our window is closed and we should just sell to acquire young assets and prepare for future FA signings. Sell Chapman, Judge, Voit, Ottavino, Hicks, Sanchez. Sign the SS from DR. Shame Stanton to accept a trade and eat as much cash as necessary. Get control of payroll and let the kids play. Reset below cap. Let covid run its course. I'd probably still sign DJ and Brantley to provide some leadership. We could get a kings ransom and still have a team which competes for a wild card in 2021. Frazier, Brantley and Florial in the OF. Gio, Torres, Wade/Estrada, DJ, Higgy in IF. Andujar at DH. Cole, Deivi/Sevy, German, Monty, Schmidt/King in rotation. Bullpen still would have Britton and Green. I bet that team would be more enjoy able to watch and the results probably wouldn't be as different as you think.

    And then after the season fill the holes and start a new window. Sign Lindor. Sign Thor. Bolster the bullpen a bit.
    Overall, a fair assessment.

    If they were to sell though, I would not agree with signing DJ/Brantley.

    Not sure I understand your desire to sign them to decent sized free agent contracts if they're going into a short rebuild as you're suggesting.

    They could go much cheaper routes if you're looking for veteran leadership. Those vets could be ones that will only require one year as basically stop gaps until lindor/others are free agents a year later.

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    He is talking about the one and only, pure trash: Ereck Flowers

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSoSlick View Post
    Overall, a fair assessment.

    If they were to sell though, I would not agree with signing DJ/Brantley.

    Not sure I understand your desire to sign them to decent sized free agent contracts if they're going into a short rebuild as you're suggesting.

    They could go much cheaper routes if you're looking for veteran leadership. Those vets could be ones that will only require one year as basically stop gaps until lindor/others are free agents a year later.

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    I completely understand the confusion. I would view scenario #2 as more of a re-tool than rebuild. Both guys are solid contact hitters (1 Lefty; 1 righty). The kind I think makes a line up flourish and will give us a punchers chance next year and be nice in 2022 when we should be competing again. DJ would solidify 1B and i really don't mind seeing him for 4 more years. Brantley should be effective for another 2 years and won't cost so much. Neither kills our financial flexibility. We would be around $148M or so assuming you pay down Stanton's deal to about $15M annually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Who the hell cares if the post season stats donít count for the season. I only pointed out that Hughes was not exceptional in the playoffs in 09 , the last time they won it all . How is that not a correct statement ?!
    WHO SAID IT WAS A WRONG STATEMENT? Wasn't me. LOL!!!! What's that have to do with the difference between the SEASON and the POST season. I can loan you a dictionary if you need to look up the word post. It's called the POST season because it's AFTER the REGULAR season. The regular season is OVER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Only pointless to you since it was my opinion . And you are the only one who is arguing with me over it . If you want to disagree with it thatís fine but I stand by what I said.

    You're arguing with me, not vice versa. And it was pointless regardless of who said it. Stop taking everything as personal against you. You look foolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    if the yanks do not do anything big off season no sense in even watching the team next year..the script will be set another playoff defeat....without getting to the world series...

    So don't watch. You won't be missed. That would be right up your alley. I'll be watching every game. That's what a FAN does. You only want to root when they win. Can you say PATHETIC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevemil505 View Post
    Let's seeif I've got that right, if we don't have a sure trip to the WS next year, there's no sense watching any games next year, right? Don't let this secret out or about 25 or 27 other stadiums will be as empty as all of them were this year. When all of those 27 teams fold, who will be left for the Yanks to play?
    for a team like the yanks with this much talent to go 11 years without even being in the world series is insulting.. and i do not see the yanks going to the series any time soon unless major changes are made.. and since i doubt that would happen the yanks would have missed a chance and will only go backward...the dodgers have been to the series 2 times in the last 4 years....it shows you what a good gm and great ownership can mean to a team...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YANKSGUY View Post
    So don't watch. You won't be missed. That would be right up your alley. I'll be watching every game. That's what a FAN does. You only want to root when they win. Can you say PATHETIC?
    the do not complain when the yanks get eliminated next year in the al playoffs then...

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