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  1. #736
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    I agree Dayne. Rock and a hard spot. As has been mentioned by others the window is now. Imo the Yankees do NOT rebuild. Problem is will Hal go all in? Will he relax his austerity plan once again as he did for Cole? I have said and maintain, Sevy and German's absence can not be discounted. Imo they could have been difference makers THIS season. Going forward the scenario is a bit different. Tanaka, Paxton, DJ and Happ will be coming off. Imo Tanaka is worth a QO, DJ will be more expensive and every effort should be made to keep him in pinstripes. Pax and Happ are history.

    Will the $40M be enough to resign DJ and attract a quality arm? Are the return of German and Sevy with Cessa, Holder, Heller, Schmidt and Loisiga enough to fill the voids? They have Cole, Monty and Garcia, after that mostly questions. They desperately need a #2 behind Cole. Do they spend or roll the dice with what they have in house hoping Sevy returns to form and fills a spot? Cole, Tanaka, Sevy, Garcia, Monty, Schmidt, King?

    Do they trade Voit, Sanchez, Andujar, Tauchman? Do they move Torres off SS, if so is he trade bait? I've read rumors about a Didi return. DJ to 2B full time. Too many questions. However I firmly believe there is talent here which precludes a complete tear down with wholesale change.
    I would agree that the Yanks don't do rebuilds and are very unlikely to do so with this group. That doesn't mean they shouldn't if the situation calls for it. Unfortunately if they aren't going to upgrade this roster, especially the pitching this winter they should start the rebuilding process. At very minimum they should be exploring every trade opportunity and gage the value of their roster. Who knows maybe we get a Shelby Miller kinda deal, if i remember correctly the Braves got 4-5 top 100 specs for Miller, for somebody to jump start our next core. They need to do away with the old ways of not extending players early or not looking to maximize the trade values of players they don't plan to build around. If they don''t go all in whats the point of keeping the roster essentially the same.

    I absolutely agree with you a healthy season of Sevy, German, Paxton and Kahnle would have made a massive difference this yr. IMO we've having a completely different conversation if we would have had full, healthy yr from just 2 of those guys much less all 4. I still wish i could have seen a healthy rotation of 1) Cole 2) Sevy 3) Tanaka 4) Paxton 5) German like it they intended for us to have when they signed Cole. Healthy that would have been a top 3 rotation

    As far as next yr i have no clue what they are going to do but basically staying as is isn't the way to go period. They should either go all in to win or try to extract maximum value from guys they don't plan on using in the next core.

    I think guys like Cessa, Heller and Holder are all DFA candidates IMO.I have always been a big fan of Lasangas Talent and stuff but next yr needs to be make or break with him. I think we could easy replace what that group has done the last couple yrs for much cheaper either internally or through FA. Over the course of next yr how much better are Cessa and Holder going to be vs Nelson and King. I'd rather save the money and go with the kids especially in the front end of the pen. I'd rather see them give a guy like Robertson a minimum or MILB deal with incentives rather than any keeping those guys, atleast there is a chance for a big upside with DRob or someone like that. I'd love to see them get Aaron Sanchez for a BP experiment

    I absolutely don't think 40m is enough to retain DJ, Tanaka and upgrade the team enough to seriously be ready to compete and win against teams like the Dodgers and Rays. The only way thats going to be enough is if they unload everything they have of value on the farm to trade for the right priced pieces as well. IMO the absolutely bare minimum they can do this winter and hope to compete next yr is resign DJ, get a legit #2 starter and another solid BP arm. Even then Sevy and German are going to have to return to their elite status and then they'll have to get huge contributions from the farm to be serious WS contenders

    As far as who gets traded this winter IMO Voit and Frazier have their highest value and could get back really good returns. Unless one of those 2 guys or Gio gets traded Andujar doesn't really have a spot next yr so he is a likely candidate to get traded. I just hate to part with such a talented bat, that i absolutely would love in the lineup, when Andujars value is so low. I haven't understood what Cash is trying to accomplish on the trade market the last 2yrs. We really needed to make key trades the last 2 trade deadline and Cashman didn't do anything so i have zero clue what to expect from the Yanks trade wise this winter. He's been very quick to use "everything was to expensive for any deals to make sense" excuse the last couple yrs. I think he's going to be forced to make big and difficult personnel decisions this winter that may or may not get him and Boone canned

    If they can get anything of value for Sanchez they should but i doubt they will give up on him with his value being basically a negative right now. The way hes is going he should have another AS yr next yr if he follows his career pattern.

    There are so many questions they will be forced to figure out if they decide not to spend to get what they absolute need this winter, it's not even funny. IMO were either going to see Cashman make some bold moves and take risks he hasn't been forced to make in yrs or he'll do nothing big and likely seal his and Boones fate with another failed yr . Its really going to be interesting to see what they choose to do this winter. I think its likely that Hal only spends if he feels we have a legit shot at winning the WS next yr.

    Another factor on how much they spend next yr is they will not exceed whatever level it is that would cost them money from their IFA pool. They won't exceed a level that causes them to loose out on another superstar prospect like Arias

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    Correction to above post, imo Tanaka is NOT worth a QO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    That is the biggest load of crap . Everyone knows the Yankees lack the pitching to be able to beat the dodgers in this series . All you have to do is look at the two rosters to see who would be the clear favorites to win that series .

    There you go again. You didn't say who would be favored. You said they would lose. That's TWO DIFFRERENT THINGS. Have you never seen an ace lose a game to a nobody? I've seen many, but I actually watch the games. Again you have no clue who would win and who wouldn't. You have your OPINION, which isn't factual, as we've explained to you time and time again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJO34 View Post
    I still think Chapman is excellent. If, though, the Yankees do keep Britton (which we all expect), would it be better to switch their roles? Chapman has given up some memorable home runs and sometimes has trouble throwing strikes. Britton may be better as our closer.

    Certainly something to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones View Post
    If you DFA Sanchez and move Judge and Voit, you can free up another $25M. Also, the return on Judge, Voit, Andujar and some minor league assets should bring you some pitching and enable you time extend DJ. I can't clearly see any other way forward.

    Get below the cap in 2021. Go over in 2022 for Lindor when you reset and have more clarity on future revenue.

    Sanchez and Judge aren't going anywhere.
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    Day, to clarify. What I intended to say in my earlier comment, Yankees don't tear down and do complete rebuild. They try to remain competitive. Can't recall their last sub 500 seasons, had to be early '90's. Even then they rebounded and started building.

    I like the pieces on this team. I think they need to augment. I agree a #2 and BP help are needed. Sign DJ, maybe Tanaka if the price is right (11-15M? one yr deal). Maybe another contact bat, luxury not a necessity imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Nicky, what team in history even comes close to Yankees run from '96 - 2003?
    6 World Series appearances with 4 straight appearances as well. I feel they probably should have won 6 of 8 as well. 01 and 03.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YANKSGUY View Post
    Yeah, one Championship in 32 years. As Yankee fans, we can only dream. LOL
    Just 1 in last 20 years is just as bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    The Yankees have 3 decisions to make in the next 5 days:

    Zack Britton: If Yankees don't exercise his $14M option for 2022, Britton can either stay in 2021 ($13M) or opt out and become a free agent now.

    Brett Gardner: $10M club option ($2.5M buyout)

    J.A. Happ: $17M club option

    Zach is a no Brainer. Too expensive but he is needed........Happ will be gone and Gardy will be offered a contract for about $5 million. Frazier is the LFer now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Day, to clarify. What I intended to say in my earlier comment, Yankees don't tear down and do complete rebuild. They try to remain competitive. Can't recall their last sub 500 seasons, had to be early '90's. Even then they rebounded and started building.

    I like the pieces on this team. I think they need to augment. I agree a #2 and BP help are needed. Sign DJ, maybe Tanaka if the price is right (11-15M? one yr deal). Maybe another contact bat, luxury not a necessity imo.
    i do not like the pieces on this team we have tried that for years and have failed.. the team needs a major overhaul...

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    The rival Yankees will vote “yes” on Steve Cohen as new owner of the Mets. They don’t mind strong competition. Ownership vote on Cohen’s bid is tomorrow. He needs 23 of 30 votes for approval (really 22 of 29 since the Mets are obvs a yes). No more than 3-4 are thought leaning no.
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    if the yanks had gotten by tampa the astros still would have beaten this team...yanks have a lot of work to do. to achieve the goal of winning a world series. it might take a few years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Zach is a no Brainer. Too expensive but he is needed........Happ will be gone and Gardy will be offered a contract for about $5 million. Frazier is the LFer now!
    why would you want gardy back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YANKSGUY View Post
    There you go again. You didn't say who would be favored. You said they would lose. That's TWO DIFFRERENT THINGS. Have you never seen an ace lose a game to a nobody? I've seen many, but I actually watch the games. Again you have no clue who would win and who wouldn't. You have your OPINION, which isn't factual, as we've explained to you time and time again.
    I never said the Yankees would definitely lose I said they would likely lose , it was someone else that said they would be swept by the dodger . I actually disagreed with that and said AT WORST They would lose in 5 games since they would win cole ‘s start .

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    if the yanks had gotten by tampa the astros still would have beaten this team...yanks have a lot of work to do. to achieve the goal of winning a world series. it might take a few years...
    Only reason I can agree with that is because after the 5 game lds . Their bullpen would have been shot and Cole unavailable until game 3. So unless most of the games were slugfests , yes they would likely not get by Houston

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