Yankee off season thread, news, notes, rumors and ideas

[OhSoSlick]

I was just pointing out that Cole had a personal catcher in Houston and it wasn't the guy we signed. That's all.

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[drt1010]

Actually run support is a factor in determining war for a pitcher . It is called RA9def or runs per nine innings of Support .
https://www.cooperstowncred.com/stat...-for-pitchers/

Really? Wrong again my friend. Read it again Jorge. "RA9def: runs per 9 innings of support (or lack thereof) from a player’s defense!!!

Defense Jorge, or if you prefer De Fence.

WAR = [[([(League “FIP” – “FIP”) / Pitcher Specific Runs Per Win] + Replacement Level) * (IP/9)] * Leverage Multiplier for Relievers] + League Correction

Please find run support in teh above equation. Take your time.

[OhSoSlick]

Robinson Chirinos Yankees deal: $1M base, 500k incentives, multiple outs

Per Heyman

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[dayners81]

Robinson Chirinos Yankees deal: $1M base, 500k incentives, multiple outs

Per Heyman

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That sounds about right money wise actually. Would you rather him or Higgy as the backup ?

anyone know for sure what Wilson contract is and for how much? I've heard MILB deal, 2yrs 4M plus incentives

Its probably pretty safe to say after this move and Wilson that Gardy isn't coming back. Gardy has been great but i think his time has likely come to an end. Hopefully Florials pitch recognition got better last yr because IMO he could be just as valuable, especially defensively as Gardy would be this coming yr

[Posada20]

Well with Bruce getting a minor league deal and Allen, plus tauchman I just don’t see how there is room for Gardner . As much as I like Gardner it was definitely time to move on from him .

[spliff(TONE)]

In other words the Yankees rotation is simply projected to have more run support than all other rotations in mlb and outside of cole that is not necessarily an indication of how good the Yankees rotation truly is .

No, not at all. Keep whining about being a fan of the most successful franchise in MLB history though.

[spliff(TONE)]

I don't believe run support is factored into a pitchers WAR! I could be wrong but I seriously doubt it.

Of course it's not. Let's also not forget that Posada has no idea how WAR works.

[spliff(TONE)]

Really? The numbers would suggest otherwise:


MLB Park Factors - 2019
RKPARK NAMERUNS HR H 2B3BBB
1Coors Field (Denver, Colorado)1.3941.2661.3001.3142.1481.093
2Globe Life Park in Arlington 1.2451.0621.1421.0901.5451.092
3Comerica Park (Detroit, Michigan)1.1071.0861.1110.9282.0110.973
4Nationals Park (Washington, D.C.)1.1011.2671.0971.1690.9571.016
5Oriole Park at Camden Yards 1.0881.2621.0631.1570.9310.930
6Marlins Park (Miami, Florida) 1.0870.8281.0181.0222.0001.057
7Minute Maid Park (Houston, Texas)1.0831.1951.0240.8660.8150.969
8Kauffman Stadium (Kansas City, Missouri)1.0740.7411.0861.2051.3450.937
9Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts)1.0630.8781.0101.3801.1201.108
10Citizens Bank Park (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)1.0471.1701.0280.8860.9601.026
11Great American Ball Park (Cincinnati, Ohio)1.0381.1301.0271.0290.4371.052
12Rogers Centre (Toronto, Ontario) 1.0311.3170.9930.9180.9130.988
13Angel Stadium (Anaheim, California) 1.0181.0811.0091.0220.8151.028
14PNC Park (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) 1.0040.9060.9971.2811.0001.161
15Truist Park (Cumberland, GA)1.0031.0180.9981.1370.9260.995
16Chase Field (Phoenix, Arizona)0.9770.8880.9981.0031.6540.959
17Miller Park (Milwaukee, Wisconsin) 0.9761.0300.9130.8990.8280.992
18Target Field (Minneapolis, Minnesota) 0.9750.8701.0071.1511.0911.092
19Progressive Field (Cleveland, Ohio) 0.9721.0480.9521.0370.5830.979
20Guaranteed Rate Field (Chicago, Illinois)0.9661.2380.9260.8090.3491.078
21T-Mobile Park (Seattle, Washington) 0.9520.9340.9460.8270.4861.006
22Wrigley Field (Chicago, Illinois)0.9310.8710.9690.9381.4290.988
23Busch Stadium (St. Louis, Missouri) 0.9170.8310.9430.8710.9550.934
24Dodger Stadium (Los Angeles, California)0.9051.1280.9870.8980.3330.833
25Tropicana Field (St. Petersburg, Florida)0.8950.9040.9350.9751.2000.955
26Citi Field (New York, New York) 0.8911.0000.8890.8410.5000.950
27Petco Park (San Diego, California) 0.8600.8710.9080.8850.7041.049
28Yankee Stadium (New York, New York)0.8160.8650.8800.7290.5910.901
29Oracle Park (San Francisco, California)0.7980.6910.9410.8261.4230.886

Quite convenient that you only shared the data from the one season in the last five seasons that clashes with what I said.

[spliff(TONE)]

Actually run support is a factor in determining war for a pitcher . It is called RA9def or runs per nine innings of Support .
https://www.cooperstowncred.com/stat...-for-pitchers/

Wrong again. Please learn to read or at least make an attempt to honestly represent what you have read.

[spliff(TONE)]

RA9def: runs per 9 innings of support (or lack thereof) from a player’s defense. This puts a pitcher’s performance in the context of the overall defensive numbers of his team. When you find a pitcher with a surprisingly high or low WAR, this is the first place to look to see why.

The way i read that is it has way more to do with how a team plays behind a pitcher defensively not so much what his Offense does when he is on the mound

Notice how Posada entirely left out the word "defense" in the post where he made this claim? It's either because he has very poor reading comprehension or he was so eager to be right for once that he misrepresented what the article said, hoping that he could pull a fast one.

[spliff(TONE)]

You are right . But I still think the runs their offense scores for a pitcher effects his war unless wins or innings pitched don’t factor into war . And I think the more runs a team scores for a pitcher the more wins a pitcher is likely to get and the more innings he is likely to pitch since starters with leads tend to stay in games longer than pitchers constantly pitching from behind .

Wrong again. Maybe if you weren't so against WAR and actually took the time to understand how it is calculated, you wouldn't so regularly make a fool of yourself in conversations like this.

[drt1010]

Quite convenient that you only shared the data from the one season in the last five seasons that clashes with what I said.

Actually it was a matter of convenience, it was the first data set that pooped up in the search. I always try to find the most current data. Upon further review I stand corrected, the "new" Yankee Stadium is near the middle/upper half in terms of hitter friendliness.

The Stadium is generous for power all-around and it's positively awful for extra-base hits (0.869 factor). Maybe a reason they tend to encourage/ emphasize power, particularly from the left side.

[Posada20]

What I am not wrong about is that outside of cole and kluber , those projections for the Yankees starting rotation are not very good at all . I mean None of those other starting pitchers are projected to have a war higher than 2.2 . A 2.2 war is not very good either .

[spliff(TONE)]

Actually it was a matter of convenience, it was the first data set that pooped up in the search. I always try to find the most current data. Upon further review I stand corrected, the "new" Yankee Stadium is near the middle/upper half in terms of hitter friendliness.

The Stadium is generous for power all-around and it's positively awful for extra-base hits (0.869 factor). Maybe a reason they tend to encourage/ emphasize power, particularly from the left side.

I thought (and hoped) that may have been the case but wanted to make sure. Yankee Stadium has indeed been more kind to offenses than any of the other parks in question each of the last five seasons outside of 2019.

[spliff(TONE)]

What I am not wrong about is that outside of cole and kluber , those projections for the Yankees starting rotation are not very good at all . I mean None of those other startering pitchers are projected to have a war higher than 2.2 . A 2.2 war is not very good either .

Apparently this transparent shifting of the goalposts is the closest you'll ever get to admitting you were dead wrong. Maybe try avoiding chiming in so confidently on topics you are so unfamiliar with.