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  1. #2761
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    Sadly, to blame our front office for Lindor going to the Mets is foolish... It was clear to me a while ago.. Cleveland wanted the moon and if they had to settle for less... he was NEVER staying in the AL... because Cleveland didn't want to face him this year...

    The question going forward is... does he sign an extention? I think he'd be foolish to unless it's a sick deal... but at the same time... SS is a loaded position next year in the UFA market and that will depress his value somewhat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilemplover View Post
    Sadly, to blame our front office for Lindor going to the Mets is foolish... It was clear to me a while ago.. Cleveland wanted the moon and if they had to settle for less... he was NEVER staying in the AL... because Cleveland didn't want to face him this year...

    The question going forward is... does he sign an extention? I think he'd be foolish to unless it's a sick deal... but at the same time... SS is a loaded position next year in the UFA market and that will depress his value somewhat...
    The thing is they didn't get the moon. Not to say their return was terrible but they could have certainly gotten more. A lot of teams just didnt want to add the 30+million dollars in payroll this season. The Yankees had better assets to offer Cleveland. They just didnt want to take on the salary.

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    The reasons the Yankees didn't get Lindor is the following:
    1) They want to keep their options open with DJ. Trading for Lindor was considered an either / or deal both financially and for keeping Torres on the team. Plus, it also helps in the DJ negotiations with DJ to have 2B, his most comfortable and gold glove position available.
    2) Cleveland had a high asking price, but had an even stronger desire to cut payroll prior to spring training. MLB informed the teams that spring training would start on time, so Cleveland's window was being squeezed to guarantee that they would get payroll relief. The Yankees weren't ready to deal. So, Cleveland lowered their demands once they could include Carrasco in the deal. Carrasco is owed nearly $40 million over the next three years and is coming off a bout with cancer. Supposedly, he's fine and I hope so for his sake and his family's sake that he is. Yet, this trade seems to be an unconditional one with no mention about medical review or such. The Mets can afford to take that chance.
    3) Tanaka is both less expensive and better than Carrasco and appears willing to wait for the DJ saga to play out.
    4) With the rumored $320 million deal to Tatis and the already signed $385 million contract for Betts and Lindor's age, we are looking at a 10-12 year deal at $32 million per year though he is probably worth it, it is a very long commitment and what could the Yankees get for Lindor and Carrasco's $45 million? DJ ($22 million), Tanaka ($10 million), Paxton or Hand ($8 million), Kluber ($5 million). Is it worth DJ plus a pitching staff plus the prospects it would have taken prior to Cleveland lowering its demands? or maybe they stop after DJ and Tanaka and save the rest of the money for other opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Not one of those you mention, but multiple. Do we know what they asked? No, just rumor and speculation from online pundits and blog writers. It's not even clear if the Yankees exchanged phone calls.

    Imo the Yankees easily could have matched what the Mets offered, except the price escalates. The Castillo rumor (mentioned above by Day) a prime example, Dominguez as the center piece +. I am pissed Yankees missed on Lindor and Carrasco. I am also pissed when they get held hostage because of their status, history, payroll and revenue.
    Well, there was one telling thing about that post

    Repeatedly making accusations about other posters and being proven wrong and not apologizing- Doesn't disgrace him

    Repeatedly making foolish claims and being proven wrong - Doesn't disgrace him

    Repeatedly, referring to opinion as "fact" and using opinion as "proof" and being proven wrong. Doesn't disgrace him

    Repeatedly, showing piss poor basic reading comprehension and math skills- Doesn't disgrace him

    Repeatedly being shown to have a poor conception of the game he doesn't watch- Doesn't disgrace him

    Repeatedly being proven wrong, a liar, a fool, an instigator- Doesn't disgrace him

    Repeatedly playing the victim when proven wrong (or any of the above) and crying about being misunderstood and singled out- Doesn't disgrace him


    BUT..... The Yankees not making a trade that included one or more of the players, he's never seen and knows very little about- That Disgraces him.

    At least something does.



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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Jorge please! Your ignorance is showing.

    How many seasons has Torres played? I'll tell you, 2.25! His rookie year he hit 24 the following year 38. Is it hard to imagine in another full season he might hit 40? Imo history is on his side.
    Doc, it shows so much we can presume he's nude.



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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyi View Post
    The reasons the Yankees didn't get Lindor is the following:
    1) They want to keep their options open with DJ. Trading for Lindor was considered an either / or deal both financially and for keeping Torres on the team. Plus, it also helps in the DJ negotiations with DJ to have 2B, his most comfortable and gold glove position available.
    2) Cleveland had a high asking price, but had an even stronger desire to cut payroll prior to spring training. MLB informed the teams that spring training would start on time, so Cleveland's window was being squeezed to guarantee that they would get payroll relief. The Yankees weren't ready to deal. So, Cleveland lowered their demands once they could include Carrasco in the deal. Carrasco is owed nearly $40 million over the next three years and is coming off a bout with cancer. Supposedly, he's fine and I hope so for his sake and his family's sake that he is. Yet, this trade seems to be an unconditional one with no mention about medical review or such. The Mets can afford to take that chance.
    3) Tanaka is both less expensive and better than Carrasco and appears willing to wait for the DJ saga to play out.
    4) With the rumored $320 million deal to Tatis and the already signed $385 million contract for Betts and Lindor's age, we are looking at a 10-12 year deal at $32 million per year though he is probably worth it, it is a very long commitment and what could the Yankees get for Lindor and Carrasco's $45 million? DJ ($22 million), Tanaka ($10 million), Paxton or Hand ($8 million), Kluber ($5 million). Is it worth DJ plus a pitching staff plus the prospects it would have taken prior to Cleveland lowering its demands? or maybe they stop after DJ and Tanaka and save the rest of the money for other opportunities.
    Tanaka better than carrasco ? I don’t believe that at all . When carrasco is healthy he is a torp. Tanaka has never really been a torp and definitely not been one over the last 2 seasons .
    Last edited by Posada20; 01-10-2021 at 12:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilemplover View Post
    Sadly, to blame our front office for Lindor going to the Mets is foolish... It was clear to me a while ago.. Cleveland wanted the moon and if they had to settle for less... he was NEVER staying in the AL... because Cleveland didn't want to face him this year...

    The question going forward is... does he sign an extention? I think he'd be foolish to unless it's a sick deal... but at the same time... SS is a loaded position next year in the UFA market and that will depress his value somewhat...
    What is foolish is to turn a blind eye to the lack of action from the front office and keep excusing it . The Yankees have more than enough tradable talent to have made a better offer to Cleveland without coming close to emptying their farm system . The only thing that stopped them was their stupidity plain and simple . To let one player hold up your entire off season for this long is foolish and just plain stupid .
    Last edited by Posada20; 01-10-2021 at 10:18 AM.

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    Jorge sorry wrong again.

    Tanaka 7 seasons: 173 games/ 17.5 WAR/ W-L 78-46/ win%.629/ ERA 3.74/ 1054 IP/ 991K's/ 1.130 WHIP

    Carrasco 11 seas: 242 games/ 21.4 WAR/ W-L 88-73 / win% .547/ ERA 3.77/ 1242 IP/ 1305 K's/ 1.196 WHIP
    Last edited by drt1010; 01-10-2021 at 10:55 AM.
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    I would include post season stats but it doesn't seem fair, Carrasco only had one start which he lost. Tanaka playing on the better team and post season performer had more opportunities.
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,” JFK 1963.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJYANKS12 View Post
    Pads appear to be closing in on an 11 year $320 million extension for Tatis. Can we please pick up the phone and offer Stanton now?

    You can't seriously think they'd want Stanton over Tatis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Torres is not a 40 homer second baseman either . Most he hit was 38 and that was during the season where anyone with a bat was hitting 20 hrs

    A 2nd baseman hitting only 38 home runs. Worthless. Dump him now. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Jorge sorry wrong again.

    Tanaka 7 seasons: 173 games/ 17.5 WAR/ W-L 78-46/ win%.629/ ERA 3.74/ 1054 IP/ 991K's/ 1.130 WHIP

    Carrasco 11 seas: 242 games/ 21.4 WAR/ W-L 88-73 / win% .547/ ERA 3.77/ 1242 IP/ 1305 K's/ 1.196 WHIP
    Read those stats again , carrasco has more games just about the same era , more innings and a higher war . At best Tanaka hasn’t been a torp since 17 or 18 . And Tanaka has had his butt handed to him in the 20 playoffs . If you look at the career stats , they are almost the same . So Tanaka career wise is not better than carrasco . The only real difference is win % but that’s only because Tanaka has had better run support behind him . Right now Tanaka is a #3 starter , carrasco right now if healthy can still be a torp . Just look at last season alone , carrasco had an era of over half a run lower than Tanaka did with the same amount of wins . What makes carrasco’s numbers from last season more impressive is that he pitched 20 more innings than Tanaka did . So I am not wrong, Tanaka is not better than carrasco .
    Last edited by Posada20; 01-10-2021 at 12:52 PM.

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    Kyle schwarber just signed a one year deal with the nats for 10 mill. I would think that kills any chance of Gardner getting a lot less than 10 mill.

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    Jorge those are career stats I cited. Carrasco numbers are for 4 more seasons, one would expect more innings and games. The critical numbers imo look at the winning%, ERA and WHIP. WAR isn't close, Tanaka was worth an average of 2.5 per season and Carrasco only 1.9. They both had a career best 5.2 WAR. Hoever Carrasco has 6 sub 2.0 WAR years and even negative seasons where as Tanaka has never had a negative WAR and only two sub 2.0 seasons.

    Tanaka beginning in 2016 has the worst run support in Yankees rotation.

    I like Carrasco. Would have welcomed him and Lindor in a heartbeat. Hopefully his health issues are behind him and he has success with the Mets. I only took issue with your claim he is so much better than Tanaka.
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    Jorge how can you attach significance or real import to last seasons stats. Tanaka made 10 starts and Carrasco 12. Tanaka was 3-3 and Carrasco 3-4. Too small a sample to draw meaningful conclusion.
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,” JFK 1963.
    "Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you." - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
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    “Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.”---- James Baldwin




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