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    So Cashman plan for the rotation must be get as much elite talent as possible and see who stays healthy? Let's hope he doesn't give up anything great to get Taillon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    So Cashman plan for the rotation must be get as much elite talent as possible and see who stays healthy? Let's hope he doesn't give up anything great to get Taillon.

    My problem with Cashman is not the talent of the pitchers he gets . My problem is all of the question marks of each starter.

    Taillon? Another Paxton IMO.

    Kluber? He is a broken down barnacle.

    And do I need to go through of the remaining potential starters? They are full of question marks!

    Why canít we ever have a stable of no question marks? Or if we have any it is only 2/5 instead of 4/5 of the rotation.

    It seems that Cashman likes to gamble that the talent stays healthy. It is always after a big signing as well or when the payroll gets too high.

    What is scary is our young core of 2017 are already starting to break the bank or will very soon. Tipping the tax line with no long term contacts with the young core is not a good sign. Judge is about all I see them keeping when the time comes for a long term contract. And even he is a question mark because of his injury concern.

    The window is closing on this group folks. Unless the farm is about to sprout some more major league ready talent soon all I just see is seeing how far the can go with this current young core and then let them walk and then fill with a 33 yr old vet that is past his prime.

    Not a good future as I currently see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    My problem with Cashman is not the talent of the pitchers he gets . My problem is all of the question marks of each starter.

    Taillon? Another Paxton IMO.

    Kluber? He is a broken down barnacle.

    And do I need to go through of the remaining potential starters? They are full of question marks!

    Why canít we ever have a stable of no question marks? Or if we have any it is only 2/5 instead of 4/5 of the rotation.

    It seems that Cashman likes to gamble that the talent stays healthy. It is always after a big signing as well or when the payroll gets too high.

    What is scary is our young core of 2017 are already starting to break the bank or will very soon. Tipping the tax line with no long term contacts with the young core is not a good sign. Judge is about all I see them keeping when the time comes for a long term contract. And even he is a question mark because of his injury concern.

    The window is closing on this group folks. Unless the farm is about to sprout some more major league ready talent soon all I just see is seeing how far the can go with this current young core and then let them walk and then fill with a 33 yr old vet that is past his prime.

    Not a good future as I currently see it.

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    Nice Post Mush!
    I agree with much of it, especially the bolded. But I think we could see them move Judge. I really think that is goin to become a possible realty. I'm sure they would like to move Stanton but he has 7 years left and a NTC. Judge could very easily be moved and that would leave them open to see if Torres was worth the money.

    I think the window for Jude/Sanchez/Hicks is closing. I fully agree.

    Where we differ, is that I believe the farm is sprouting and there will soon be some very, good young players who are ready to be on the field at YS.

    The issue with that is, where will they play? Luckily many are pitchers so that bodes well. The position players are a couple few years away so there should be time for space to open up and give some a shot.

    Thankfully, the hicks deal is only 10 per. So he could be moved but for ****'s sake, I never understood the 7 years. He's signed till he's 36? Stanton till he's 38? DJ till he's 39? (That one is fine as I think he will be good for the duration).
    The starting lineup as of now

    DJ- 33 in. July
    Stanton 31
    hicks 31
    Judge will be 29
    Urshela wil be 30 in coctober
    Voit will be 30 next month
    Sanchez is 28
    Frazier -26
    Torres-24

    This is not a young lineup. This lineup will be an old one in two years. That is their window.
    My fear and annoyance is the lack of flexibility for this team. Cashman has put together a very limited team. Now rumors of Ozuna (30) and Puig (30)?
    That means Cashman is considering trading young talent for Tallion and replacing them with replicas of Stanton?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Nice Post Mush!
    I agree with much of it, especially the bolded. But I think we could see them move Judge. I really think that is goin to become a possible realty. I'm sure they would like to move Stanton but he has 7 years left and a NTC. Judge could very easily be moved and that would leave them open to see if Torres was worth the money.

    I think the window for Jude/Sanchez/Hicks is closing. I fully agree.

    Where we differ, is that I believe the farm is sprouting and there will soon be some very, good young players who are ready to be on the field at YS.

    The issue with that is, where will they play? Luckily many are pitchers so that bodes well. The position players are a couple few years away so there should be time for space to open up and give some a shot.

    Thankfully, the hicks deal is only 10 per. So he could be moved but for ****'s sake, I never understood the 7 years. He's signed till he's 36? Stanton till he's 38? DJ till he's 39? (That one is fine as I think he will be good for the duration).
    The starting lineup as of now

    DJ- 33 in. July
    Stanton 31
    hicks 31
    Judge will be 29
    Urshela wil be 30 in coctober
    Voit will be 30 next month
    Sanchez is 28
    Frazier -26
    Torres-24

    This is not a young lineup. This lineup will be an old one in two years. That is their window.
    My fear and annoyance is the lack of flexibility for this team. Cashman has put together a very limited team. Now rumors of Ozuna (30) and Puig (30)?
    That means Cashman is considering trading young talent for Tallion and replacing them with replicas of Stanton?

    This current young core that is not young anymore and is at the 1998/99(stage)seasons with comparison to the Core 4+Bernie during the Dynasty years. That group struck gold and found even more. It will be lucky if this group can even fine the mine.

    They are on a 2 year window to hit it. If not then by 2023 this roster will be very different with regards to a core. Yes, Cashman can go through the same route as what he did in 2002-2007( free agents)but the problem now is this core has not been extended and has never won or even appeared in a WS.

    I am starting to feel their window was closed hard after getting so close with Girardiís last season and the season with the Altuve walk off. Those teams couldnít capitalize when needed. And I donít care about discussing the scandal. How about getting a damn clutch hit in so many missed opportunities that would have streamrolled through the scandal with ease if those hits, yes a measly single, would have had happened. Now I feel like this team is chasing.

    Iíll use golf as an example. They missed many birdies and fell further behind the leaders and then had to chase and couldnít make any bird and settled for pars but never advanced up the leaderboard. This is where this team currently is sitting with Oct.

    According to a former HOF catcher Gary Sanchez is just going through the motions. He has lost that drive to get better. He canít seem to put things away that are in his rear view mirror. He is
    still moaning about the benching in the playoffs. Iíd see where is in Spring Training and if he is on the upslope then trade him immediately and get some value back.

    Judge, can he play 90% of the season? And healthy? Players of this generation donít play hurt and the excuse is already given to them with the gotta protect the player BS. He needs to be a force, case closed!

    Torres, love DJ but he actually has stunted the growth of Torres. He should have been our 2b for 10-12 years. When he plays SS I believe he tries to focus on defense and his hitting sufferers. Love DJ but move Voit out and put Torres back to 2b and sign Didi for a couple of stop gap seasons. No Lindor now so move on.

    Sevy, Iím going to go pretty far on this one. Iím putting him in the Brian Taylor category.

    He will obviously return but I feel his command AS A STARTER will be like what we saw after Taylor came back with his injury in the 1993 season. It wonít be as bad as medicine is better now but I feel he will be just a 1 inning guy now.

    Hicks, on a good contract so we have to keep him for now. Another Judge, great talent but injuries always seem to win.

    Iím ready for a reset with regards to a core. We are the Yankees so they can afford to wait a little. But if I was Hal Iíd trade the you g core to bolster the farm with major league ready talent like the Rays do but they have actually waited a little too long as their salaries are already getting too high for that good value in return. Injuries hurt their value along with their rising salaries.

    So we gotta run through itís course and see where we end up after going through the rough rapids and hopefully we settle in a nice calm stream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Nice Post Mush!
    I agree with much of it, especially the bolded. But I think we could see them move Judge. I really think that is goin to become a possible realty. I'm sure they would like to move Stanton but he has 7 years left and a NTC. Judge could very easily be moved and that would leave them open to see if Torres was worth the money.

    I think the window for Jude/Sanchez/Hicks is closing. I fully agree.

    Where we differ, is that I believe the farm is sprouting and there will soon be some very, good young players who are ready to be on the field at YS.

    The issue with that is, where will they play? Luckily many are pitchers so that bodes well. The position players are a couple few years away so there should be time for space to open up and give some a shot.

    Thankfully, the hicks deal is only 10 per. So he could be moved but for ****'s sake, I never understood the 7 years. He's signed till he's 36? Stanton till he's 38? DJ till he's 39? (That one is fine as I think he will be good for the duration).
    The starting lineup as of now

    DJ- 33 in. July
    Stanton 31
    hicks 31
    Judge will be 29
    Urshela wil be 30 in coctober
    Voit will be 30 next month
    Sanchez is 28
    Frazier -26
    Torres-24

    This is not a young lineup. This lineup will be an old one in two years. That is their window.
    My fear and annoyance is the lack of flexibility for this team. Cashman has put together a very limited team. Now rumors of Ozuna (30) and Puig (30)?
    That means Cashman is considering trading young talent for Tallion and replacing them with replicas of Stanton
    ?
    Weeks ago I mentioned, in jest, Hal was channeling George. This type move has George written all over it.

    What I don't understand, Cashman rescued the farm system, is often accused of falling in love with prospects. Why the sudden change in philosophy? Is it a pragmatic decision based on current roster space? I can rationalize moving extra pieces for pitching, if not named Dominguez, Gil or Medina.

    Additionally, why are Yankees looking at OFers?
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    Gil and Alcantara are supposed to be the main pieces being moved for Taillon... u have no idea how much I hope that isn't true, especially for Tallon who is just as big of a lottery ticket as the specs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Nice Post Mush!
    I agree with much of it, especially the bolded. But I think we could see them move Judge. I really think that is goin to become a possible realty. I'm sure they would like to move Stanton but he has 7 years left and a NTC. Judge could very easily be moved and that would leave them open to see if Torres was worth the money.

    I think the window for Jude/Sanchez/Hicks is closing. I fully agree.

    Where we differ, is that I believe the farm is sprouting and there will soon be some very, good young players who are ready to be on the field at YS.

    The issue with that is, where will they play? Luckily many are pitchers so that bodes well. The position players are a couple few years away so there should be time for space to open up and give some a shot.

    Thankfully, the hicks deal is only 10 per. So he could be moved but for ****'s sake, I never understood the 7 years. He's signed till he's 36? Stanton till he's 38? DJ till he's 39? (That one is fine as I think he will be good for the duration).
    The starting lineup as of now

    DJ- 33 in. July
    Stanton 31
    hicks 31
    Judge will be 29
    Urshela wil be 30 in coctober
    Voit will be 30 next month
    Sanchez is 28
    Frazier -26
    Torres-24

    This is not a young lineup. This lineup will be an old one in two years. That is their window.
    My fear and annoyance is the lack of flexibility for this team. Cashman has put together a very limited team. Now rumors of Ozuna (30) and Puig (30)?
    That means Cashman is considering trading young talent for Tallion and replacing them with replicas of Stanton?
    ozuna does not have stanton injury history he play almost a full season every year

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    Taillon is a Yankee.

    Is he healthy?

    What is his velocity?

    Does he start on time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Gil and Alcantara are supposed to be the main pieces being moved for Taillon... u have no idea how much I hope that isn't true, especially for Tallon who is just as big of a lottery ticket as the specs
    Incorrect. They did not give those players up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyskilla View Post
    His stern face can give that impression but I don't feel that's the case. New York isn't an easy place to play at, so honestly I can see his confidence at an all-time low for him.

    I don't think he's a bust. I think he just needs the right motivation to pick himself up & play harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSoSlick View Post
    Incorrect. They did not give those players up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny ny View Post
    ozuna does not have stanton injury history he play almost a full season every year
    What's your point? As I said, they are aging righty, power bats who cannot play good D.
    Ozuna is a horrid defender. Puig is subpar. While they K slightly less than what the Yankees already have, the are redundant to the redundant.



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    In return, the Pirates received prospects Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, Maikol Escotto and Canaan Smith. The right-hander Yajure was the Yankeesí No. 15 prospect, according to MLB Pipeline. Contreras was their No. 19 prospect, Smith was No. 21 and Escotto was not among their Top 30 Prospects.

    The Yankees had a full 40-man roster, along with the pending signings of DJ LeMahieu and Corey Kluber, but they will open up two spots by moving Yajure and Contreras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    What's your point? As I said, they are aging righty, power bats who cannot play good D.
    Ozuna is a horrid defender. Puig is subpar. While they K slightly less than what the Yankees already have, the are redundant to the redundant.
    I don't think those reports are true. Classic drive up the value reports by attaching the Yankees name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    What's your point? As I said, they are aging righty, power bats who cannot play good D.
    Ozuna is a horrid defender. Puig is subpar. While they K slightly less than what the Yankees already have, the are redundant to the redundant.
    osuna has a fabulous 60 games last year. and no he is not redundant he plays a lot of games while stanton plays very few games

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    a few yankee fans were interested in taillon last season let us see if he proves to be worth it or a bust

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