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  1. #901
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    Quote Originally Posted by La_bibbers View Post
    Gonna be hard to watch next year.
    If they do it right (x fingers) it will be worth it in 2022 or worst 2023. Do it right and this reset should not long. But I don't expect any moves until the fill Hoyer's GM spot.
    Screw sabermetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefire View Post
    If they do it right (x fingers) it will be worth it in 2022 or worst 2023. Do it right and this reset should not long. But I don't expect any moves until the fill Hoyer's GM spot.
    I think people have far too high of expectations of what they can get in this market. People forget how lucky the Cubs got at times with things like Hendricks and Arrieta. The Cubs have a better org top to bottom than the last time, but a lot of the Cubs system is far away still.

    I doubt they're back in 2022. Maybe by 2023. I think there's a good chance its not until 2024 due to how piss poor this market is shaping up to be and what they won't get for the players they're trading.

    And thats not "doing it wrong" so much as "not having options".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    I think people have far too high of expectations of what they can get in this market. People forget how lucky the Cubs got at times with things like Hendricks and Arrieta. The Cubs have a better org top to bottom than the last time, but a lot of the Cubs system is far away still.

    I doubt they're back in 2022. Maybe by 2023. I think there's a good chance its not until 2024 due to how piss poor this market is shaping up to be and what they won't get for the players they're trading.

    And thats not "doing it wrong" so much as "not having options".

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    Yep. Fans have such insanely unrealistic expectations. There's nothing good about blowing things up right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La_bibbers View Post
    Yep. Fans have such insanely unrealistic expectations. There's nothing good about blowing things up right now.
    This.

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    Depends on what we are getting back. If itís just salary relief and prospects then ya itís gonna talk 3years. If itís salary relief and big league ready guys then maybe we take a step back next year but the year after I would expect progress

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    Quote Originally Posted by petrey10 View Post
    Depends on what we are getting back. If itís just salary relief and prospects then ya itís gonna talk 3years. If itís salary relief and big league ready guys then maybe we take a step back next year but the year after I would expect progress
    Wishful. Thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La_bibbers View Post
    Yep. Fans have such insanely unrealistic expectations. There's nothing good about blowing things up right now.
    Why I don't see them totally blowing it up and there really no need too..



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    Quote Originally Posted by 1908_Cubs View Post
    I think people have far too high of expectations of what they can get in this market. People forget how lucky the Cubs got at times with things like Hendricks and Arrieta. The Cubs have a better org top to bottom than the last time, but a lot of the Cubs system is far away still.

    I doubt they're back in 2022. Maybe by 2023. I think there's a good chance its not until 2024 due to how piss poor this market is shaping up to be and what they won't get for the players they're trading.

    And thats not "doing it wrong" so much as "not having options".

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    That's fair to say but if the Cubs do blow it up, it's not as if they would be barren to start. So I don't think they'll do a full "blow up", more like trade a couple pieces like Bryant and perhaps Darvish because of their contracts.
    Screw sabermetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefire View Post
    That's fair to say but if the Cubs do blow it up, it's not as if they would be barren to start. So I don't think they'll do a full "blow up", more like trade a couple pieces like Bryant and perhaps Darvish because of their contracts.
    If they do that, its essentially a full blow up. What would they have left? Baez is on one year. Schwarber is on one year. They'd need 4 new SPs. Rizzo getting older. And honestly not sure I have a ton of interest in a Baez extension considering what he'd want.

    Theyd have Willson and Hendricks essentially. If they're trading Bryant and Darvish, they will effectively be blowing it up.

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    2020 Chicago Cubs Offseason Thread

    I see the primary trade options in 2 groups.

    Group 1:
    Kb
    Javy
    Rizzo
    Schwarber

    Group 2:
    Darvish
    Contreras
    Hendricks
    Happ

    Group 1 are the 4 bats nearing free agency. At best you might get a top prospect who has struggled or a borderline top 100 type. At worst you are considering a non tender with some in this list.

    Group 2 are the guys who I believe can bring back significant prospect value. Both of those pitchers should bring back a haul. Bauer is the only comparable pitcher on the free agent market. Weíll see who else is on the trade market but in the early reports these guys look like the best SP options available in a trade along with Lynn. Contreras would be easily the 2nd best catcher available after Realmuto and heíd be far more affordable. Heíd appeal to the teams that lose out on Realmuto and the teams that canít afford Realmuto. With Happ just entering arbitration and with his continued success hitting RHP and ability to get by in CF he should bring bad a significant prospect if heís made available.

    If you extend 2 and trade 2 of group 1 and leave group 2 alone then Iíd count that as being pretty close to running it back in 2021. If you start trading from group 2 then you are rebuilding and you might as well trade multiple players from each group including everyone from group 1 that you canít or donít want to extend.
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    Wouldn't surprise me if the only regular position players moved this offseason end up being just Schwarber and Bryant..



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    2020 Chicago Cubs Offseason Thread

    https://twitter.com/jimbowdengm/stat...128732674?s=21

    This remains the best fit if the Cubs move Contreras.

    https://twitter.com/jimbowdengm/stat...847235587?s=21

    I still really like Happ to KC as a blow it up trade too.

    Thatís enough posting of Ralph tweets. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CP_414 View Post
    https://twitter.com/jimbowdengm/stat...128732674?s=21

    This remains the best fit if the Cubs move Contreras.

    https://twitter.com/jimbowdengm/stat...847235587?s=21

    I still really like Happ to KC as a blow it up trade too.

    Thatís enough posting of Ralph tweets. Sorry.
    Was just coming here to post the Rays tweet. Seems like a great trade partner for Willy.

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    2020 Chicago Cubs Offseason Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CubsRule08 View Post
    Wrigley Field was given the designation of Federal Landmark Status, meaning the Ricketts family is now entitled to tax credits for completing the recently renovated Wrigley Field project.

    Yay...they will get millions back in tax credits, pocket everything and still tear down and rebuild the team.
    From Rosenthal today...

    The Chicago Tribune quoted team spokesman Julian Green last year as saying that the Ricketts could be expected to receive between $100 million and $125 million in tax credits once federal and state officials determined that the renovation of Wrigley met national historical preservation standards.

    The article also talks about the possibility of a KB non tender, Contreras trade, and Rizzo extension.
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    I mentioned the possibility of a KB NT about a month ago and I'm starting to believe it is coming. The Dodgers will probably swoop in and lock him up. Unfortunately the NT won't come with a reallocation of funds that would make it somewhat palatable. I'd be in favor of it if it came with a DJLM contract, for example. Or Brantley. Somebody to shift the profile of the offense a bit while not losing the run creation.

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