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  1. #2251
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    I would like for MLB to create a place where if someone/anyone feels discriminated against in any way, that person can tell/communicate to that office. They would be assured that no repercussions will be taken and that they would remain anonymous. MLB needs to take the lead. They shouldn't have allowed what has happened in the past to continue moving forward. This crap has no business being in this game.

    And if I was an owner, I would demand it. Now!
    Agreed. How do they not have some sort of Title IX office? There is no reason the people aware of these situations can't report them internally without the victims having to do that directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    If youíre going to be a creep (and donít be a creep), donít leave a paper trail. These dudes have some serious issues. Iím sure weíll hear more and more stories. Hopefully this **** wonít happen anymore.
    There is no "paper trail" if you just treat people with respect. This story along with Porter shows that in our society the way we look at and treat women is just not right. Again, when Porn becomes the number one media in a society, we can't be surprised that we treat women like "Things" and not with equal respect. So disgraceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Yeah. Letís not even THINK about hiring a diverse group of people. That would be just sheer lunacy, right?

    Gimme my sheet with the holes in it, NOW!

    https://youtu.be/324sD2t2nLM
    Diversity is extremely important. It should never get in the way of the most qualified individual being hired though. Eric Bienemy? Extremely qualified head coaching candidate and should get a chance specifically BECAUSE of that, not for any other reason. When Red Aubauch stepped down as head coach of the Boston Celtics, he named Bill Russell as the new Player/Head Coach. Russell went on to win 2 championships. He was also the first Black HC in the NBA. It's actually an awesome story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiley6 View Post
    MLB has to step in and establish some standards and best practices for these searches and they should be setting up investigative teams and any necessary panels for uncovering this type of stuff in searches. This shouldn't be up to the discretion of individual teams. This is an MLB issue and it should be treated as such.
    OR, how about every time a coach or Front Office staff is being vetted, specifically ask the question. "Are you or have you ever, been involved in any way in conduct with a woman that could be deemed as sexual misappropriation?" And just so you know we are going to ask around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Hardball View Post
    OR, how about every time a coach or Front Office staff is being vetted, specifically ask the question. "Are you or have you ever, been involved in any way in conduct with a woman that could be deemed as sexual misappropriation?" And just so you know we are going to ask around.

    Actually that should go for hiring a man or a woman. Women also sexually harass men as well. Though you don't hear of it much, but it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    I donít understand guys like Callaway. He makes millions of dollars to wear a major league baseball uniform. He gets interviewed on TV a lot. Iím sure most women wouldnít find him unattractive. So why the hell would he have to engage in this nonsense to get some ladyís attention as though he were some kind of a desperate office boy?

    Makes no sense.
    To me, it's clearly about having an EGO the size of the grand canyon. I am the manager of the NYM, I deserve this. Most men will cheat on a woman because at some point they think they deserve something better. Someone skinnier, curvier, prettier, younger. These men in positions of power think they supersede the common folk and that what they should have is "BETTER" than what someone or everyone else has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookiewilson View Post
    Actually that should go for hiring a man or a woman. Women also sexually harass men as well. Though you don't hear of it much, but it happens.
    The Michael Crichton Book/Movie "Disclosure" with Demi Moore shows how this happens. Either way it is 100% wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Hardball View Post
    The Michael Crichton Book/Movie "Disclosure" with Demi Moore shows how this happens. Either way it is 100% wrong.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    I would like for MLB to create a place where if someone/anyone feels discriminated against in any way, that person can tell/communicate to that office. They would be assured that no repercussions will be taken and that they would remain anonymous. MLB needs to take the lead. They shouldn't have allowed what has happened in the past to continue moving forward. This crap has no business being in this game.

    And if I was an owner, I would demand it. Now!
    Women tend to think differently then men do. It contributes to this issue because most women are too afraid to say something when this process starts. A man walks up to a woman and says "You look really nice in that dress" how a woman hears this can go several different ways, as does how the man actually meant it. If a man said "That dress hugs you in all the right places" Some men might feel like both statements are the same, women in most cases would be clearly offended by such talk. Another woman might like the compliment, but be clear Whether a woman likes it or not, it is CLEARLY sexual harassment. If a woman stays quiet there, she probably stays quiet when the man askes her out 10-15 times and gets braver each time. Once the pictures start arriving via text, she feels like she is so far down the path, saying something then is pointless.
    Here lies the issue, the woman that complains about the inappropriate comment at the start is most times brushed aside as over-reacting. This is why women stay quiet so often. It is a complete shame. And I have some stories of men I have fired on the spot for this crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    I donít understand guys like Callaway. He makes millions of dollars to wear a major league baseball uniform. He gets interviewed on TV a lot. Iím sure most women wouldnít find him unattractive. So why the hell would he have to engage in this nonsense to get some ladyís attention as though he were some kind of a desperate office boy?

    Makes no sense.
    Considering the lady in question he was swinging for the fences on somebody way the hell out of his league. I guess he though his position might be good enough to be able to connect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Hardball View Post
    There is no "paper trail" if you just treat people with respect. This story along with Porter shows that in our society the way we look at and treat women is just not right. Again, when Porn becomes the number one media in a society, we can't be surprised that we treat women like "Things" and not with equal respect. So disgraceful.
    As somebody that watches too much porn I take exception to that.

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    It's no different than most professions. Its men using their positions of power as a way to influence women into being with them. Its a quid pro quo. You engage with me and I'll give you more information to advance your career. MLB and other sports leagues need to set up stronger punishments for this type of behavior. They also need to educate their employees better. Most lines of work have ethics and/or sexual harassment training.

    It should be obvious to these guys when their advances cross a professional line or become harassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Hardball View Post
    Women tend to think differently then men do. It contributes to this issue because most women are too afraid to say something when this process starts. A man walks up to a woman and says "You look really nice in that dress" how a woman hears this can go several different ways, as does how the man actually meant it. If a man said "That dress hugs you in all the right places" Some men might feel like both statements are the same, women in most cases would be clearly offended by such talk. Another woman might like the compliment, but be clear Whether a woman likes it or not, it is CLEARLY sexual harassment. If a woman stays quiet there, she probably stays quiet when the man askes her out 10-15 times and gets braver each time. Once the pictures start arriving via text, she feels like she is so far down the path, saying something then is pointless.

    Here lies the issue, the woman that complains about the inappropriate comment at the start is most times brushed aside as over-reacting. This is why women stay quiet so often. It is a complete shame. And I have some stories of men I have fired on the spot for this crap.
    I would hope anything that would make a person feel uncomfortable in the workplace shouldn't be brushed aside. That is more or less how Mickey was able to stay as the Mets Manager and Porter was able to keep his job in Chicago. MLB should take every reported situation seriously and investigate it thoroughly.

    In a work environment, both men and women should act professionally and should not have to feel that inappropriate behavior will be tolerated. And no place of business should allow any type of discrimination of any sort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Hardball View Post
    OR, how about every time a coach or Front Office staff is being vetted, specifically ask the question. "Are you or have you ever, been involved in any way in conduct with a woman that could be deemed as sexual misappropriation?" And just so you know we are going to ask around.
    I have no issue with asking a question like that, but I don't see anyway that that question would net info you need. First, some people might straight up lie. Second, most likely don't believe that they have done anything wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    I would hope anything that would make a person feel uncomfortable in the workplace shouldn't be brushed aside. That is more or less how Mickey was able to stay as the Mets Manager and Porter was able to keep his job in Chicago. MLB should take every reported situation seriously and investigate it thoroughly.

    In a work environment, both men and women should act professionally and should not have to feel that inappropriate behavior will be tolerated. And no place of business should allow any type of discrimination of any sort.
    They do say that 15-20% of people meet their future spouses in the workplace. I understand trying to shoot your shot. The problem is these guys become habitual offenders and they don't know where the line is. When Porter started to get ghosted, he should have taken the hint. Not sent that woman another 60+ messages. Callaway shouldn't be making uncomfortable comments to multiple women either. Neither should be using their influence to solicit further meet ups as well.

    There is a way to being professional and trying to find companionship in the workplace and there is a way not to.
    Last edited by metswon69; 02-02-2021 at 03:57 PM.

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