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    NFL QB Contracts

    with the insane dollars QBs are making with no real end in sight would teams be better off letting someone go even in their prime if they arent a top 5 QB and just drafting a QB and building the team?

    Example.... The top 4 QBs right now would be Wilson/Mahomes/Jackson/watson with a big drop off in either skill or age after this... These guys making top dollar is now worth it because nomatter who they have they can lead a team to a title possibly but after that it just doesnt make sense to give top dollar to guys just because of the notion its a QB driven league and that equals success....


    So in theory lets use Dak and Wentz as an example.... If you realize they are top 10 QBs but not top 5 QBs would it be smarter to then trade said QB in their prime while saving the 33 mill a season it would likely cost to keep them and just put talent with that money and the picks you get back into the team? You could set up a blue print before hand and even draft a QB in the 2nd or 4th round 2 years before you would need to give out a massive QB contract and have said young backup primed and ready to fill in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    So in theory lets use Dak and Wentz as an example.... If you realize they are top 10 QBs but not top 5 QBs would it be smarter to then trade said QB in their prime while saving the 33 mill a season it would likely cost to keep them and just put talent with that money and the picks you get back into the team? You could set up a blue print before hand and even draft a QB in the 2nd or 4th round 2 years before you would need to give out a massive QB contract and have said young backup primed and ready to fill in.
    Are you saying the Eagles should draft a QB in the 2nd round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Are you saying the Eagles should draft a QB in the 2nd round?
    The eagles would never.... wait a min...

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Are you saying the Eagles should draft a QB in the 2nd round?
    an actual QB with talent yes.... but real talk the plan makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    with the insane dollars QBs are making with no real end in sight would teams be better off letting someone go even in their prime if they arent a top 5 QB and just drafting a QB and building the team?

    Example.... The top 4 QBs right now would be Wilson/Mahomes/Jackson/watson with a big drop off in either skill or age after this... These guys making top dollar is now worth it because nomatter who they have they can lead a team to a title possibly but after that it just doesnt make sense to give top dollar to guys just because of the notion its a QB driven league and that equals success....


    So in theory lets use Dak and Wentz as an example.... If you realize they are top 10 QBs but not top 5 QBs would it be smarter to then trade said QB in their prime while saving the 33 mill a season it would likely cost to keep them and just put talent with that money and the picks you get back into the team? You could set up a blue print before hand and even draft a QB in the 2nd or 4th round 2 years before you would need to give out a massive QB contract and have said young backup primed and ready to fill in.
    You have to remember that chemistry matters too. If that top 10 QB is the unquestioned leader of your team it might be worth it to keep him. This is where I put Dak. The Jonesí have decided to make him prove it again though before deciding to pay him or not.

    The Eagles have already invested in Wentz but are they having doubts? There were rumblings last year that maybe there might be some chemistry issues in the locker room. Then when you factor in injuries it might not be the worst idea to sell high on Wentz.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    The Eagles have already invested in Wentz but are they having doubts? There were rumblings last year that maybe there might be some chemistry issues in the locker room. Then when you factor in injuries it might not be the worst idea to sell high on Wentz.
    Not after 2 games, I don't think.

    Given his contract he could be traded next year at the earliest, and it would still leave $32 million in dead cap. Any year after that and you're losing the advantage of Hurts rookie contract; that's why I doubt he was drafted to replace Wentz.

    I've always figured the Eagles would undergo a rebuilding period, because Howie poured a lot of resources into the SB-winning team, and all that shifting of cap money was going to come back at some point. Now with the cap shrinking due to COVID-19, it will hit twice as hard.

    So there were always going to be a couple of years at least where Wentz was playing with an average-at-best roster. It's similar to what happened with Russell Wilson around 2016-17. But Wilson kept his team competitive regardless, which so far can't be said of Wentz.
    Last edited by QB_Eagles; 09-23-2020 at 09:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    The Eagles have already invested in Wentz but are they having doubts?
    Not after 2 games, I don't think.
    You may have missed it, but the Eagles drafted a replacement QB before the "2 games" this season, due to already having doubts.
    Dak: 15,778 @ 65.8%, 7.6 per att, 97+21 TD, 36 INT+31 FMB, 97.0 Rate
    Wentz: 14,191 @ 63.8%, 6.9 per att, 97+3 TD, 35 INT+48 FMB, 92.7 Rate

    2020:
    Dak: 1188 @ 67.1%, 8.3 per att, 5 TD, 2 (1.4%) INT, 98.5 Rate 76.7 QBR
    Wentz: 737 @ 59.8%, 5.6 per att, 3 TD, 6 INT (4.5%), 63.9 Rate 35.5 QBR


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    You may have missed it, but the Eagles drafted a replacement QB before the "2 games" this season, due to already having doubts.
    Bruh, I talked about Hurts in the same comment right after the one sentence you quoted.

    Seriously, why are you the way you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Not after game 2, I don't think.

    Given his contract he could be traded next year at the earliest, and it would still leave $32 million in dead cap. Any year after that and you're losing the advantage of Hurts rookie contract; that's why I doubt he was drafted to replace Wentz.

    I've always figured the Eagles would undergo a rebuilding period, because Howie poured a lot of resources into the SB-winning team, and all that shifting of cap money was going to come back at some point. Now with the cap shrinking due to COVID-19, it will hit twice as hard.

    So there were always going to be a couple of years at least where Wentz was playing with an average-at-best roster. It's similar to what happened with Russell Wilson around 2016-17. But Wilson kept his team competitive regardless, which so far can't be said of Wentz.
    So far? Do people already forget last season? Did Wentz not keep them competitive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    So far? Do people already forget last season? Did Wentz not keep them competitive?
    I mean so far this season.

    Right now this team's talent level is worse than in 2019.

    But also in the NFC West, Wentz's 2019 performance wouldn't have been enough for a winning record.
    Last edited by QB_Eagles; 09-23-2020 at 09:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    So far? Do people already forget last season? Did Wentz not keep them competitive?
    I believe this is why people are suspect on Wentz in spite of leading the Eagles to the NFC East title last season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    So far? Do people already forget last season? Did Wentz not keep them competitive?
    In the weakest division in football? Very meh season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    with the insane dollars QBs are making with no real end in sight would teams be better off letting someone go even in their prime if they arent a top 5 QB and just drafting a QB and building the team?

    Example.... The top 4 QBs right now would be Wilson/Mahomes/Jackson/watson with a big drop off in either skill or age after this... These guys making top dollar is now worth it because nomatter who they have they can lead a team to a title possibly but after that it just doesnt make sense to give top dollar to guys just because of the notion its a QB driven league and that equals success....


    So in theory lets use Dak and Wentz as an example.... If you realize they are top 10 QBs but not top 5 QBs would it be smarter to then trade said QB in their prime while saving the 33 mill a season it would likely cost to keep them and just put talent with that money and the picks you get back into the team? You could set up a blue print before hand and even draft a QB in the 2nd or 4th round 2 years before you would need to give out a massive QB contract and have said young backup primed and ready to fill in.
    I can see your perspective on this, but I think when you look at an NFL team, where is, or at least should, most of the money be spent:

    Franchise QB
    #1 Wide Receiver
    Franchise left tackle
    Stud Pass rusher (4-3 DE, 3-4 OLB)
    Shut down #1 cornerback

    That is not to say you don't spend money elsewhere on some things, but there are some positions in the NFL that make no sense in spending big dollars on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccugrad1 View Post
    I can see your perspective on this, but I think when you look at an NFL team, where is, or at least should, most of the money be spent:

    Franchise QB
    #1 Wide Receiver
    Franchise left tackle
    Stud Pass rusher (4-3 DE, 3-4 OLB)
    Shut down #1 cornerback

    That is not to say you don't spend money elsewhere on some things, but there are some positions in the NFL that make no sense in spending big dollars on.
    If I was an NFL GM, I'd focus my drafting on QB, DE, OT, CB, WR, and focus on the other positions in free agency.

    At the end of the day, you need to field 22+ players, and if you can sign 3 good players for the price of 1 good QB, that is a big advantage.

    I've been saying for a while that having a competent QB on a rookie deal is one of the biggest advantages in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    I've been saying for a while that having a competent QB on a rookie deal is one of the biggest advantages in the NFL.
    Thanks John Madden.

    Up next, the team that scores the most points usually wins the game!


    But it follows logically that the biggest disadvantage in the NFL would be to sign a QB to a big deal and then draft a rookie QB in the 2nd round, wasting their rookie deal in the process. Right?
    Dak: 15,778 @ 65.8%, 7.6 per att, 97+21 TD, 36 INT+31 FMB, 97.0 Rate
    Wentz: 14,191 @ 63.8%, 6.9 per att, 97+3 TD, 35 INT+48 FMB, 92.7 Rate

    2020:
    Dak: 1188 @ 67.1%, 8.3 per att, 5 TD, 2 (1.4%) INT, 98.5 Rate 76.7 QBR
    Wentz: 737 @ 59.8%, 5.6 per att, 3 TD, 6 INT (4.5%), 63.9 Rate 35.5 QBR


    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I'll leave PSD if Foles isn't the starter in Jax (or elsewhere) next year.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
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