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View Poll Results: What's Gonna Happen?

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  • Lions win by 3.5 or more

    2 50.00%
  • Lions win by less than 3.5

    1 25.00%
  • Lions lose

    2 50.00%
  • Tie

    1 25.00%
  • Defense will force 2.5 or more turnovers

    1 25.00%
  • Defense with score

    2 50.00%
  • Defense will not score

    1 25.00%
  • AP will score

    2 50.00%
  • AP will not score

    1 25.00%
  • Lions will have a 100+ yard rusher

    2 50.00%
  • Lions will not have a 100+ yard rusher

    1 25.00%
  • Fire Matt Patricia

    3 75.00%
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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahoda View Post
    Stafford > Hill

    Not even close.
    but is he better than Jameis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    100%

    Why is it “not even close”?

    You guys watch Stafford every week. Why is it unfathomable that the guy being groomed to take over for Drew Brees is “not even close” to Stafford, who’s done nothing but accumulate meaningless volume stats in his disappointment of a 1/4 billion dollar career?
    He's made it to two super bowls and won one.

    Id argue that given the same surrounding cast, TB12 would inferior stats to both Manning and Brees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    He's made it to two super bowls and won one.

    Id argue that given the same surrounding cast, TB12 would inferior stats to both Manning and Brees.

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    What do Bears fans know about good QB play? You were a huge Cutler fan right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    What do Bears fans know about good QB play? You were a huge Cutler fan right?

    Smokin' Jay was/is the real deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigers.6 View Post
    Smokin' Jay was/is the real deal
    Very Cavallari was hilarious btw
    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    What do Bears fans know about good QB play? You were a huge Cutler fan right?

    Have you seen mitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    Very Cavallari was hilarious btwHave you seen mitch

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    unfortunately

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    yes! yes! so much yes!

    I need to put that in my "join me" thread

    idunno why I can't edit this out of the quote and make it my own post but PSD accepts it so [/QUOTE]

    you will stay in that box and like it!

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    Lions are gonna beat Arizona this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    Lions are gonna beat Arizona this week.
    meh. even if we do, it doesn't mean anything.

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    The athletic has a good article on how bad the Lions were this week.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAthletic.com
    The Lions’ players and coaches keep insisting that what they’re putting on display on Sundays is not what this team looks like during the week, or what it’s capable of moving forward. We’ll have to take their word for it.

    The final three quarters of Detroit’s trip to Green Bay in Week 2 was a meltdown, in all facets. The (ugly) position-by-position grades off that 42-21 loss:

    Quarterback: C-minus

    Matthew Stafford hasn’t necessarily been bad, per se, but he also hasn’t come anywhere near approaching his MVP-like heights from 2019. Is it fair to set the bar that high, after he missed the back half of last season and with Kenny Golladay sidelined? Well … probably. If we’re going to discuss Stafford as one of the game’s elite quarterbacks, that reputation has to hold no matter the circumstances around him.

    Through two games, his yards per attempt is way down compared to Year 1 with Darrell Bevell (8.6 to 7.2), and he’s also sporting his lowest QB rating (83.3) and QBR (46.0) since his rookie season.

    Sunday, Stafford made two inexcusable mistakes — matching his number from Week 1 vs. Chicago. Just before halftime in Green Bay, he took a sack (and nearly a safety) on a play where he absolutely just had to get the ball out. Then, with the Lions still clinging to life in the third quarter, he floated a Pick-6 right into the arms of cornerback Chandon Sullivan. Those things cannot happen, not from a guy who’s been around as long as Stafford has.

    He also missed a couple of potentially big gains just before an Oday Aboushi personal foul snuffed out a drive — he couldn’t connect with Marvin Jones on a deep crosser, then he overshot Danny Amendola up the right sideline. Stafford’s numbers were fine overall: 20 of 33 for 244 yards, two TDs and that pick. But he wasn’t great, and he helped bury the Lions with those ill-timed errors.

    Running backs: B

    The Lions rushed for 60 yards on 11 carries in the first quarter. The rest of the game: 10 attempts for 29 yards. Clearly, the game script got away from them once they faced a double-digit deficit, but it’s kinda difficult to figure out what happened here. Kerryon Johnson averaged 4.0 yards per carry, Adrian Peterson was at 5.9 (although that came down from a 7.8 clip in the first quarter).

    During that productive opening 15 minutes, Kerryon Johnson ran about as well as he has since Bevell took over the offense last season. His third carry featured a nifty cutback to open space — only netted 4 yards, but it showed off excellent vision and patience. Peterson later popped one wide for 25 yards. (Only seven carries for him? Really?) D’Andre Swift struggled running the football again (five attempts for 12 yards) but was outstanding as a receiving threat, nabbing all five of his targets for 60 yards.

    Props in this group, too, to fullback Jason Cabinda. He’s been impressive in his first two games as a starter.

    Wide receivers: C

    It looked early on like it might be a big-time Marvin Jones game — he caught four passes in the first quarter (albeit, for just 23 yards) and scored to put Detroit up 14-3. He didn’t have another catch and saw just two targets the rest of the way. For as dominant as Jones was during training camp, he’s yet to hit his stride. Worse yet, he hasn’t picked up the slack for an absent Golladay in being able to stretch the field.

    Elsewhere, Amendola made a couple of nice grabs, but five of the seven targets his way wound up incomplete or intercepted. Marvin Hall and Quintez Cephus gave the Lions a boost late, as Hall scored from 24 yards out and Cephus nabbed three balls for 54 yards. It’s a bit of a mystery why Hall isn’t seeing more snaps or looks in Golladay’s stead.

    This group was fine. No more, no less.

    Tight ends: C-plus

    T.J. Hockenson carries this grade, thanks to his four-catch, 62-yard performance. So far this season, Stafford has targeted Hockenson nine times and he’s caught every single ball. It’s a small sample size, but the second-year product is on pace for 72 catches and 944 yards. Unfortunately for the Lions, he — like Jones — vanished from the offense over the final two-plus quarters.

    At first glance, that might be more on Stafford than Hockenson. There were at least a handful of plays where Hockenson appeared to have some space but probably wasn’t an early read, so Stafford didn’t get to him.

    Offensive line: C-plus

    On the one hand, the Packers finished with four sacks and seven hits, plus, per Pro Football Focus, pressured Stafford on upward of 20 percent of his dropbacks. On the other, a lot of the consistent pressure came from one source — Michigan product Rashan Gary — and Stafford was guilty of holding the ball too long.

    Subtract Oday Aboushi’s two brutal penalties and the botched protection from Tyrell Crosby and Swift on that Stafford sack near the goal line, and the day didn’t look too bad. The run blocking, in particular, had some mojo going early. Peterson’s 25-yard burst off the right side might have been as well-blocked a run play as the Lions have had since Johnson sprung one against Miami in 2018.

    There’s also this:


    Jackson remains a work in progress, but there are signs of a Frank Ragnow-Jackson combo becoming dominant. Combined with Taylor Decker’s steady improvement, this line might be an absolute force if and when Joe Dahl and Halapoulivaati Vaitai are healthy.

    Defensive line: “F. F-minus.”

    Just a gross, inexcusable effort up front, and the approach from Matt Patricia and defensive coordinator Cory Undlin didn’t help much. For all the additions Detroit made to its linebacking corps and secondary this offseason, it was clear that the defense would only go so far as its front could take it.

    Against the Packers’ dynamic offense, that unit was a blocking sled come to life. The Lions’ D-line couldn’t tackle, didn’t seal gaps and rarely moved Aaron Rodgers off his spots. The highest-graded lineman on PFF was Kevin Strong, and he played all of 13 snaps. Officially, the Lions had three QB hits, and they came from Jarrad Davis, Tracy Walker and Jamie Collins — nary a defensive lineman to be found.

    Oh, and the Packers rushed for 259 yards, their highest total in more than 15 years. Being without Nick Williams hurt, but he wasn’t going to be the solution Sunday. Who knows where those answers might come from at this point.

    Linebackers: D

    The only factors pulling this grade up a touch: Collins had the game’s lone sack, Davis laid about as hard a legal hit as you can on Aaron Jones during a violent first-quarter tackle and Jahlani Tavai wasn’t completely lost in coverage. Yippee.

    Everything else was a mess, again. After the Packers’ very first offensive play, on which Jones gained 13 yards off a cutback, Fox color commentator Brock Huard noted how the Lions’ downhill, “free-flowing” linebackers tend to leave those backside gaps open. They then proceeded to leave basically every single gap open for the next 55 minutes.

    Jones’ 75-yard touchdown run was a disastrous marriage of scheme and execution. Davis ran himself right into a block, while Collins didn’t even seem all that interested in filling the gap behind his teammate. Those run fits, however, have been a nuisance throughout Davis’ entire career — it’s not getting better — and the Lions’ revamped back seven has yet to help cover him up.

    Cornerbacks: D

    In large part, the Lions’ goal Sunday was to keep everything in front of them and force Green Bay to take the long way between the 20-yard lines. They mostly succeeded. Rodgers stretched the field just twice: a shot up the sideline to Marquez Valdes-Scantling, who dusted Jeff Okudah for 41 yards; and a 1-on-1 shot to Jones for 33 yards, vs. slot corner Darryl Roberts.

    Rodgers far from struggled elsewhere, but Detroit tried its best to keep the explosive plays to a minimum. Even Davante Adams, who dropped two highlight-reel routes on Okudah, had all of 36 yards on three receptions before leaving with a hamstring injury. Not great, given how easily those three catches came, but a long way from a total meltdown.

    That said, the Lions are in for some long Sundays if they have to pair the Okudah/Amani Oruwariye growing pains with a nonexistent pass rush. Neither young cornerback appears all that ready to handle man coverage, all day.

    Safeties: D-minus

    Two positive plays jump out: A Tracy Walker end-zone pass break-up (on an underthrown ball from Rodgers) and a terrific, rangy play by Duron Harmon, to get over and support Okudah on a deep ball to Valdes-Scantling. How much of an impact did the safety group have beyond that? Not much. And the real lasting image might be of Will Harris and Harmon both flailing at Jones as he splits them on his long TD run.

    On that note, Harris is in way over his head at the moment. Patricia said again Monday that he bases his safety usage on which defensive package he wants, but Harris has been a complete liability against the run. Walker should be on the field, even as he needs to show improvement in his 1-on-1 coverage.

    This was supposed to be a position of versatility and strength. It’s been neither through two games.

    Special teams: B

    Hey! Something else that wasn’t terrible!

    I’m actually way underselling Jack Fox there. He still has 14 games to go in his first season as a starting punter, of course, but he’s put his name on the Pro Bowl radar early. Over the Lions’ first two games, he’s posted a net punting average of over 51 yards per attempt — he’s just launching the ball, with enough hangtime for his coverage to get there.

    And it is getting there. Special-teams coordinator Brayden Coombs has his kick and punt units doing a stellar job of hemming in return guys, and the Packers barely even tried to flip the field. J.C. Jackson had the lone positive punt return for Green Bay, and he gained 6 yards.

    Tough miss for Matt Prater on the 57-yarder before halftime, especially since the kick that he pushed just wide right last week proved to be so important. The Lions are asking a lot by having him step out near midfield, but those should be within his range. This team cannot afford to leave points on the table.

    Coaching: F

    Maybe a D-minus, if you want to give Coombs a pat on the back. Otherwise, the Lions may as well be picking plays out of a hat once they get beyond their scripted opening salvos. The offense came out with two phenomenal drives, then bailed on the run game and couldn’t sustain anything over the final 45 minutes.

    The defense … man. Brutal. Whatever schematic advantages Patricia and Undlin are supposed to be providing, they are not evident at all. The Lions were not good enough Sunday on any defensive level, and they weren’t even competitive in the trenches.

    Was the game plan really to let Rodgers sit in the pocket and/or force Jones to beat them? If it was, it failed horribly. It if wasn’t, it would be impossible to guess at what the Lions actually wanted to accomplish. Green Bay coach Matt LaFleur ran a clinic on Detroit’s staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    Lions are gonna beat Arizona this week.
    this team has gotten worse every game under Patricia. We're going to get smoked. Okaduh will be schemed around and destroyed again

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    Please don't beat Arizona.

    I'm really looking forward to seeing Murray and that creative offense go against the most vanilla and predictable efense out there.

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    there's no way we beat them. just predict how the Lions game is going to go it's so easy.

    Defense gets destroyed while our offense can't do enough to keep close

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardking13 View Post
    The athletic has a good article on how bad the Lions were this week.
    I'm surprised someone gave a damn enough to write that many words about the Lions

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    Lizard, isn't that article from a pay site?

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