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    It’s funny how some people are still defending Philly’s process when there’s a shining example in the East of how a process really should go. Instead of tanking every year the Raps went and got a G-League team and started heavily scouting the entire globe. To put things into perspective, Masai already had eyes on Siakam in 2012 before he even set foot on US/Canadian soil.

    Throughout the years Masai invested heavily into player development and scouting. He made the most out of low picks then gave them a place to develop as opposed to just rotting on the bench. The Raptors 905 is responsible for the development of Siakam, Fred and Norm. Siakam was in the 20’s, Norm a 2nd rounder and Fred went undrafted. There’s also the trades. Masai acquired the pick for Norm from trading Greivis Vazquez. He also acquired the 9th overall pick in 2016 (Jakob Poeltl who was used in the Kawhi deal) for ANDREA BARGNANI!!!!

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    Yes, the fact that they fired hinkie and brought in a dunce to waste the war chest of assets he compiled and still managed to be as good as they've been is a success. Even with all the bad moves, they were arguably the 2nd best team in the league last year when they were a kawhi shot away from the finals (they would've beat Milwaukee with ease) and then a chip. They went all in on the butler trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    It’s funny how some people are still defending Philly’s process when there’s a shining example in the East of how a process really should go. Instead of tanking every year the Raps went and got a G-League team and started heavily scouting the entire globe. To put things into perspective, Masai already had eyes on Siakam in 2012 before he even set foot on US/Canadian soil.

    Throughout the years Masai invested heavily into player development and scouting. He made the most out of low picks then gave them a place to develop as opposed to just rotting on the bench. The Raptors 905 is responsible for the development of Siakam, Fred and Norm. Siakam was in the 20’s, Norm a 2nd rounder and Fred went undrafted. There’s also the trades. Masai acquired the pick for Norm from trading Greivis Vazquez. He also acquired the 9th overall pick in 2016 (Jakob Poeltl who was used in the Kawhi deal) for ANDREA BARGNANI!!!!

    Tanking results in nothing. You have to build from the ground up, not lose on purpose.
    masai tried to tank tho, it was only after removing the cancerous tumor in rudy gay and his anti analytical approach to the game, that masai saw how good his team could be. Then they were perennial playoff fodder for years under his watch and struck big with kawhi. Philly could very well do the same eventually but its hilarious how cheap he got kawhi for. Pop really ****ed up

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    It’s funny how some people are still defending Philly’s process when there’s a shining example in the East of how a process really should go. Instead of tanking every year the Raps went and got a G-League team and started heavily scouting the entire globe. To put things into perspective, Masai already had eyes on Siakam in 2012 before he even set foot on US/Canadian soil.

    Throughout the years Masai invested heavily into player development and scouting. He made the most out of low picks then gave them a place to develop as opposed to just rotting on the bench. The Raptors 905 is responsible for the development of Siakam, Fred and Norm. Siakam was in the 20’s, Norm a 2nd rounder and Fred went undrafted. There’s also the trades. Masai acquired the pick for Norm from trading Greivis Vazquez. He also acquired the 9th overall pick in 2016 (Jakob Poeltl who was used in the Kawhi deal) for ANDREA BARGNANI!!!!

    Tanking results in nothing. You have to build from the ground up, not lose on purpose.
    more than one way, bro. The Sixers process came after the Bynum trade blew up and there were no assets left so the Sixers didnt really have many options if we wanted to get out of purgatory.

    Without KL wanting out last year you dont get a chip so everyone you mentioned doesnt even matter without him. Raps arent gonna be able to keep everyone either and if they lose game 7 where do they even go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    It’s funny how some people are still defending Philly’s process when there’s a shining example in the East of how a process really should go. Instead of tanking every year the Raps went and got a G-League team and started heavily scouting the entire globe. To put things into perspective, Masai already had eyes on Siakam in 2012 before he even set foot on US/Canadian soil.

    Throughout the years Masai invested heavily into player development and scouting. He made the most out of low picks then gave them a place to develop as opposed to just rotting on the bench. The Raptors 905 is responsible for the development of Siakam, Fred and Norm. Siakam was in the 20’s, Norm a 2nd rounder and Fred went undrafted. There’s also the trades. Masai acquired the pick for Norm from trading Greivis Vazquez. He also acquired the 9th overall pick in 2016 (Jakob Poeltl who was used in the Kawhi deal) for ANDREA BARGNANI!!!!

    Tanking results in nothing. You have to build from the ground up, not lose on purpose.
    This post started out right but then you confused the Raptors with the Heat


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    This post started out right but then you confused the Raptors with the Heat


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    This post started out right but then you confused the Raptors with the Heat


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    Should've let Hinkie complete his experiment, would've been better off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    masai tried to tank tho, it was only after removing the cancerous tumor in rudy gay and his anti analytical approach to the game, that masai saw how good his team could be. Then they were perennial playoff fodder for years under his watch and struck big with kawhi. Philly could very well do the same eventually but its hilarious how cheap he got kawhi for. Pop really ****ed up
    James Dolan is actually the one to thank for the tank not rolling in. A deal was in place to send Lowry to the Knicks for Metta World Peace, a 1st and another player who I can't remember. Dolan nixed it at the very last minute effectively giving us the greatest Raptor of all time. The Gay trade was a surprise because Patrick Patterson and Greivis Vazquez fit in so well with the team. That season was the best basketball Patrick Patterson ever played for the Raps.

    The playoff fodder had a lot to do with Dwane Casey and DeMar DeRozan. Lowry's playoff demons were exercised a year or so before those two were shipped out. Casey was a horrendous offensive coach who didn't really even run any plays and DeMar DeRozan was horrified of LeBron. Casey was also stubborn as hell and refused to change. Masai literally had to force him to change his coaching style and a year later he was gone. Masai never wanted to keep Casey but after his instant success he gave him a chance.

    Kawhi trade was lucky but it was also ballsy as hell. If the Raps didn't win the title last year Masai would be received very differently this year. Logical fans felt bad for DeRozan but were able to get over it in about 2 minutes because we just got Kawhi. The casual fan base which is also the majority was PISSED. The love DeRozan got from this city was unlike anything I had seen since Vince so that trade was a massive gamble.

    The Raps winning the championship had a lot to do with Masai finally deciding to be ruthless. Firing the COTY and trading away the city's most beloved player in the same off-season is by no means an easy thing to pull off. Then winning a championship right after? He's the baddest man in Toronto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDish87 View Post
    more than one way, bro. The Sixers process came after the Bynum trade blew up and there were no assets left so the Sixers didnt really have many options if we wanted to get out of purgatory.

    Without KL wanting out last year you dont get a chip so everyone you mentioned doesnt even matter without him. Raps arent gonna be able to keep everyone either and if they lose game 7 where do they even go?
    Yeah but he did want out.....and we got em
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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    It’s funny how some people are still defending Philly’s process when there’s a shining example in the East of how a process really should go. Instead of tanking every year the Raps went and got a G-League team and started heavily scouting the entire globe. To put things into perspective, Masai already had eyes on Siakam in 2012 before he even set foot on US/Canadian soil.

    Throughout the years Masai invested heavily into player development and scouting. He made the most out of low picks then gave them a place to develop as opposed to just rotting on the bench. The Raptors 905 is responsible for the development of Siakam, Fred and Norm. Siakam was in the 20’s, Norm a 2nd rounder and Fred went undrafted. There’s also the trades. Masai acquired the pick for Norm from trading Greivis Vazquez. He also acquired the 9th overall pick in 2016 (Jakob Poeltl who was used in the Kawhi deal) for ANDREA BARGNANI!!!!

    Tanking results in nothing. You have to build from the ground up, not lose on purpose.
    I mean, you landed KL for nothing haha. The Raps were a perennial playoff team that was never a threat. While they did develop from within mostly, the strip down salary and commitment option and starting over with high picks/cheap talent is still better in the long run as long as you have the right people in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Yeah but he did want out.....and we got em
    and he got away with a travel before hitting that shot in game 7. ill never let that blatant missed call go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDish87 View Post
    and he got away with a travel before hitting that shot in game 7. ill never let that blatant missed call go.
    Good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    I mean, you landed KL for nothing haha. The Raps were a perennial playoff team that was never a threat. While they did develop from within mostly, the strip down salary and commitment option and starting over with high picks/cheap talent is still better in the long run as long as you have the right people in place.
    Being in a constant position to strike like that for a good 7 or 8 years isn't easy to do. Building from within is a big reason why he was able to do that. Masai endured a lot of criticism over the years for never making a big splash outside of re-signing his own guys. His patience ultimately paid off. Hell, we had Raptor fans calling for a rebuild in 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDish87 View Post
    all of what you said was accomplished though. cant help what happened after everything was perfectly in place for the next 2 GMs to **** up. The Kings havent made the playoffs in how long?
    I personally am not so sure it's been solidified as accomplished though.

    The Wizards did a "Process" though nowhere near as blatantly. They traded off Gil, Butler and Jamison and decided to tank and got good players out of those top 3 picks: Wall, Beal, Porter. They put together some nice veterans around them and had at least 1 year where were considered a top 6 paper-talented team. In the end it resulted in a few playoff runs consecutively, but not deep sustained runs.

    I view Philly as in the same boat because like Washington they are only focused on those 2-3 core players and not a farm system and true talent evaluation. They wanted to take the thinking out of scouting by only having to look at "no-brainer" top 5 talent. And because you've done a lazy job of evaluation, you're never going to find those gems, the Duncan Robinson's and Norman Powell's of the walk-on and late draft variety. You will always have to rely on old washed vets Ilyasova and Belinelli types for cheaper talent. Soon you realize you've sign one too many bad contracts and find yourself missing the playoffs and burdened by heavy luxury tax just as the Wizards were just recently.

    What I'm saying is I could very easily see the Sixers miss the playoffs entirely some time in the next 3 years with both their stars healthy for most of the season.

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