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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    no joel? : )
    I thought I include him, think he shot in the mid to lower 40s
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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Lol the majority of Bam's scoring comes from the PnR and making basket cuts. He can create for himself with some okay post moves and direct drives to the basket that's about it. Don't get me wrong, he's strong as hell but he's not crossing up guards and putting them in the spin cycle. Yeah he can do stuff like that to big men but Siakam has moves he can put on anyone. Bam is pure muscle with amazing finishing ability.

    Bam has an amazing combination of speed and skill but you conveniently ignored his incompetence defending around the rim. For someone who plays centre he's not very good. He's 49th in the NBA with 3 defended field goals a game under 6ft. Then again his frequency in that area is only 39% which is pretty low for a centre. I guess he lets other players do the dirty work. He's quick and capable of switching on almost anyone but I still give the edge to Siakam on defence. Obviously neither of us will budge on this.
    He’s out guarding on the perimeter a lot so I can see why his rim protection would be low. He’s worlds better defensively, this really isn’t close but yes neither will budge. I agree Siakam has a better scoring skillset but all around and both sides Bam is the better player and impact winning on both sides of the ball more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Why did Bam only defend 8 of Siakam's shots? Did he need to worry about Marc Gasol? lol
    Well they’ve played twice but this last game, Bam started at C forcing Crowder to guard Siakam. Siakam was killing him so Spo said **** that and switched bam to him and Siakam was basically a non factor after that point. I’m not sure why the recent change to the starting lineup as Nunn-Butler-Robinson-Bam-Meyers was the best 5 man unit this season either for majority of the season or all season but in games like against the raptors it’s kind of hard to put Bam on Siakam and Crowder on Gasol if that’s who we have stsrting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Hes more effecient because he takes less shots and mostly all inside 10-15.

    They are two different players, with different roles. Its hard to compare imo.
    So Siakam is a better scorer, other than that what does he do better than Bam?
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    i dont think siak or bam will ever be superstars but if i had to bank on 1 id probably go with bam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggie View Post
    So Siakam is a better scorer, other than that what does he do better than Bam?
    i havent even looked but id assume better scorer might not even be that accurate considering i am sure siak takes way more shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggie View Post
    He’s out guarding on the perimeter a lot so I can see why his rim protection would be low. He’s worlds better defensively, this really isn’t close but yes neither will budge. I agree Siakam has a better scoring skillset but all around and both sides Bam is the better player and impact winning on both sides of the ball more.
    Why is that? He plays the 5.
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    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Why is that? He plays the 5.
    Heat don't play a traditional defense. They play a lot of 2-3 zone, 3-2 zone, trapping, switching and matchup zone.

    Bam isn't Roy Hibbert, who they say go stand under the rim and block/challenge everything that comes in the paint. But it's Iggies team, he can probably give a more in depth analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA all the way View Post
    Heat don't play a traditional defense. They play a lot of 2-3 zone, 3-2 zone, trapping, switching and matchup zone.

    Bam isn't Roy Hibbert, who they say go stand under the rim and block/challenge everything that comes in the paint. But it's Iggies team, he can probably give a more in depth analysis.
    I know they play a lot of zone. That should be even more of a reason for him to spend more time within 6 feet of the basket, no? He misses rotations and is late on bringing help a lot of the time. He also loses focus and just follows the ball sometimes. There were a few instances in the Raps game where he just followed Fred out of his zone. Bam is still flawed defensively. He has tons of athletic ability but he's still a work in progress.
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    Gimmie Siakam. Offensive initiators are always going to have worse efficiency numbers than a lower option. Also in this era a guy with Siakams natural skill set is more valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    i dont think siak or bam will ever be superstars but if i had to bank on 1 id probably go with bam
    Bam will be top 10 soon, he’s already almost better than Jimmy imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Why is that? He plays the 5.
    Because he locks up literally every position. This allows us to switch on every screen, it’s our defensive scheme. He doesn’t just camp out in the paint like a Gobert, he switches onto a Curry and counters every move he makes and beats his **** back into his face when he shoots. The dude is elite defensively, I doubt Siakam is even going to get consideration for all defense unless I’m just missing something.
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    Bam is basically young Giannis still coming into his game and making a name for himself. Will he be that good? Highly unlikely as it is for anyone but he can be up there
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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Stackhouse was inefficient. He wasn’t an effective “focal point scorer” he just took a lot of shots. That doesn’t apply to Siakam.
    He had the qualities you stated. Here is another usage vs efficiency debate, because the point remains one is MORE efficient. Idk if the efficiency gap is the same but I think Jerry took on a far greater load of the offense so shouldn't his relative inefficiency(to his comparison) be forgiven according to the logic expressed here

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    The statement is true but the comparison isnt close.

    In this era Bams lack of offensive versatility makes him less valuable than a more complete two way player in Siakam.
    Just wanted to disprove the stance, this comp is obviously harder

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