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  1. #1
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    Time to worry about the rotation?

    Cole is 3-0 and hasn't had close to his best stuff, not worried about him whatsoever. Monty looked extremely good in his debut against the Soxs. We didn't see the velo uptick to 94-96 like we had heard so much about in ST, that said we did see a much improved change-up and the confidence to throw it in any count. All in all we have to be great encouraged about how Monty looked and i don't think its a stretch to say if he continues pitching like that he'll be a great mid rotation starter for us. I see alot of Pettitte in Monty and really think if that velo uptick shows up he has a number 2 upside

    Tananka's first start was a bit of a mixed bag. He avg 95+ on his 4 seam FB, which is almost 2.5mph faster that the last couple yrs, his splitter looked better than last yr and the slider was solid as usual. You could see Tanaka got tired and the started getting hit harder. I just don't think Tank has been stretched out all the way and i have no doubt he'll be his typical solid self.

    Happ is awful, i know shocker right? I was hopeful if was "just the juiced ball" that caused Happ to get hit so hard last yr, the reports from the training camps had been good. We found out in a hurry that he's still awful.

    Paxton hasn't been good but by far the more concerning thing is his huge loss of velo on his FB. The last couple yrs Paxton has avg 97+ on his FB the fastest among all LHed starting pitchers 2-3yrs in a row. In his first start he avg 92.5, this last start was even worse barely avg 91 and often struggling to break 90. I think by now we've all heard that he believes its an arm level and extension problem he said was the issue. After yesterdays start even he admitted it was concerning. Usually when a pitchers velo is down that much there is an injury issue somewhere. With Paxtons injury history him getting injured would be right o par for him. If he is injured that likely means he would be gone for the yr.

    I look at that rotation and i see two spots that need to be changed if were going to win, especially with the expanded playoff format. With the extra round i think its going to be very, very difficult to win if u don't have a minimum of 4 solid starters and if you had 5 solid starter you'd be even in better shape.

    IMO to really have a chance to win were going to have to get another starter that needs to be as good if not better than Tanaka. Wouldn't it be great if Sevy and or German was available right about now? The Yanks have the quality of specs/ young players that should allow them to trade for anyone that becomes available.

    How would you guys fix the rotation, who would you try to trade for and what would u be willing to give up for them? Or would you try to fix the rotation from within ??

    Also how do u fill the gigantic whole we now have at the back end of our pen with the loss of Kahnle for the yr?
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    i would immediately sign Danny Salazar. They should have done this in the offseason. If Paxton is out for the season I would simply give his spot in the rotation to Nick Nelson.

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    You have to at least see 5 starts from each starter before making any kind of judgement. And with this 2020 season already a chaotic mess why not just play it out and see where the chips fall.

    Or offer the Phillies a few spec for Jake Arrieta?

    He has a team option for 21 and 22 and they are not going to hit those options for $22 million per.

    Get him and plug him in for 2020.

    1. Cole
    2. Arrieta
    3. Tanaka
    4. Pax
    5. Monty


    There you go.
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    My other concern is Cole.

    His strikeout per 9 is about 9 and a few pennies.

    With Houston it was 12.5-13.5

    Has he already peaked with his career and is now on the downside of his career?

    Of course he has great stuff and can get by with less for a few years because it is so good but did we see the GREAT COLE with Houston and we just get the ordinary Cole who is still light years ahead of the garbage we have in the rotation?
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    Day, who are the starters that are in their walk years and can be had for less and not losing our best specs for him?

    I did like Jakes moving fastball last night. He still has good stuff.
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    Cole will be fine. his best years are not behind him.
    Tank will be fine
    Monty will be solid

    Happ sucks. Should be in the pen and Schmidt should get a shot.

    Pax is the big question mark.

    We all need to remember, this is a weird year. These guys started in the middle of the season and we expect mid season form.

    If Pax and Tank are pitching like this in late august? Maybe make a move. But if int 3 weeks we are 24-5? No worries.



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    MAN the LIFEBOATS! The ship IS GOING DOWN,
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    MAN the LIFEBOATS! The ship IS GOING DOWN,


    LOL! Exactly what I'm thinking when I read some of these posts. They're 8 - 1 and some of these people can do nothing but whine.
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    With the extra round u guys really think this rotation is going to be good enough all through the playoffs.

    Were 8-1 but let's be honest other than Cole and Monty its been ugly.

    Our offense and BP are the reason why we're 8-1 not because our rotation has been dominant

    Also the trade deadline is 3 weeks away. They aren't going to have much time to evaluate or make changes/upgrades in such a short season.

    The biggest concern has to be Paxton, he has to be hurt IMO to have his velo down that much. Figuring out what's wrong with him and is he going to be healthy again this yr. If he's hurt I don't think thats something u can fill from within

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    With the extra round u guys really think this rotation is going to be good enough all through the playoffs.

    Were 8-1 but let's be honest other than Cole and Monty its been ugly.

    Our offense and BP are the reason why we're 8-1 not because our rotation has been dominant

    Also the trade deadline is 3 weeks away. They aren't going to have much time to evaluate or make changes/upgrades in such a short season.

    The biggest concern has to be Paxton, he has to be hurt IMO to have his velo down that much. Figuring out what's wrong with him and is he going to be healthy again this yr. If he's hurt I don't think thats something u can fill from within


    Here's my thinking.

    1-Call up Schmidt or King and put Happ in the pen.

    2-Regarding Paxton, If his velo isn't up to normal in two weeks, make a move. Stick him on the IR, stick Happ, Garcia, and anyone not named Andujar or Dominguez in a deal for a TORP that we can sign for at least a few years.



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    Not yet. I feel confident in Cole, Monty, and Tanaka. Especially playoff Tanaka. Just have to hope that Paxton is just not back to full strength yet and he gets his velocity back soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    With the extra round u guys really think this rotation is going to be good enough all through the playoffs.

    Were 8-1 but let's be honest other than Cole and Monty its been ugly.

    Our offense and BP are the reason why we're 8-1 not because our rotation has been dominant

    Also the trade deadline is 3 weeks away. They aren't going to have much time to evaluate or make changes/upgrades in such a short season.

    The biggest concern has to be Paxton, he has to be hurt IMO to have his velo down that much. Figuring out what's wrong with him and is he going to be healthy again this yr. If he's hurt I don't think thats something u can fill from within
    Day I agree the rotation may need a boost at some point. However I don't feel we need to panic or make a desperation move. I am hoping Schmidt, King (or put Loaisiga back in rotation regularly) and Paxton carry the load. Cole, Monty, Tanaka seems solid. Maybe Green and his new pitch can be a very effective opener? I think there are several options, but...an injury or two away from trouble. Pax needs to figure it out. Is he hurting? Happ is useless at this point. Tank could be a bit more consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    With the extra round u guys really think this rotation is going to be good enough all through the playoffs.

    Were 8-1 but let's be honest other than Cole and Monty its been ugly.

    Our offense and BP are the reason why we're 8-1 not because our rotation has been dominant

    Also the trade deadline is 3 weeks away. They aren't going to have much time to evaluate or make changes/upgrades in such a short season.

    The biggest concern has to be Paxton, he has to be hurt IMO to have his velo down that much. Figuring out what's wrong with him and is he going to be healthy again this yr. If he's hurt I don't think thats something u can fill from within

    Day, I understand the concern but we need to get to the 30 mark first and see where the chips fall. If by then the starters are struggling then maybe get a starter.

    But Im more concern with the loss of Betances and Kahnle. Who replaced those two?

    Betances, Green, Kahnle, Britton and Chap was our dream bullie and now 2/5 are gone.

    The 2020 MLB season is year like no other. Im not going to get mad if we dont win the whole damn thing. There are too many unnatural roadblocks to deal with.

    What if Cole gets the Rona in Oct? Or we lose 3 big bats in the lineup because of the rona?

    Or what if we stay healthy and then face a NL team in the WS and their team all of sudden starts getting positive cases and wrecks their chances?

    Im not going to worry too much about how the 2020 season goes unless the cases stay real low and MLB league gets to the postseason virtually unscathed.

    Our team is built for 162 anyway as we would wear down the opposition during the course of 162.

    Just relax and enjoy what baseball we have.

    Overall the league has stabilized some after the Marlins debacle.

    It is really up to the players to be disciplined to stay out of harms way and not do stupid things like going to bars or casinos.
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    What BIG 3 of the rotation would you rather have?


    Gray, Bauer and Castillo

    Or

    Cole, Tanaka and Paxton?
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    (The rational, calm side that swings to the man on the ledge side.)



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