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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseslept View Post
    There is no way the Thunder would take Horford's or Harris' contract.

    They would trade CP3 for lesser players in return or even bad contracts included in the deal, but it would have to be expiring contracts.
    nobody is taking cp3 contract for lesser players or expiring..why would they exactly? you are so one sided its nuts wade... stop

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    nobody is taking cp3 contract for lesser players or expiring..why would they exactly? you are so one sided its nuts wade... stop
    CP3 would only interest a title contender to add and the Thunder would be happy to trade him but only if it causes for them to accelerate their development and their time table of building around SGA and (still young) Adams.

    The problem which has caused CP3 not to be traded before the deadline this season, is that the contending teams which would be of interest couldn't pay for him (not unless if they would include "untouchables" in the deal) anyway, this next off-season however, things may be different and there may a couple of title contenders which will be able to go deep into the tax and pay for CP3 without having to include "untouchable" players in the deal.

    It will much depend on this season's playoff results what moves contending teams will decide to do for the next season, but in any case, the Sixers aren't included on the couple of teams which could trade for CP3, nor Portland would have the slightest of interest in parting with Lillard for any of the Sixers contracts.

    To make a long conversation short, all you ever proposed here doesn't have even a chance in a million to ever happen. It's all homer BS, or illegal trades, or both combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    nobody is taking cp3 contract for lesser players or expiring..why would they exactly? you are so one sided its nuts wade... stop
    If you’re a new account and disagree with more than most be prepared to be framed as Wade 😂
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggie View Post
    If you’re a new account and disagree with more than most be prepared to be framed as Wade 😂
    Yes, I've become aware of that alright.

    The guy doesn't even have the basic knowledge required as to understand why CP3's contract doesn't fit the Thunder's time table and as a consequence decelerates their future plans because of the huge value of the salary it occupies in their books which they would then invest on more young players.

    In fact I believe that OKC would be prepared to throw in one out of the army of 1st picks they have collected this previous off season in order to finance CP3's transfer, if the return would include expiring contracts and perhaps a couple of young role players on tempting salaries which they would then use to come from the bench and supplement their starting unit which they will gradually built around SGA and Adams by using the picks they've collected and by hitting hard in the free agency market...

    I can see them making a king's offer for Joe Harris this following off season and may be they will attempt to recruit with Gerami Grant too. There is also Bogdan Bogdanovic of course, but I'm not sure he fits their time table at 29y.o.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseslept View Post
    There is no way the Thunder would take Horford's or Harris' contract.

    They would trade CP3 for lesser players in return or even bad contracts included in the deal, but it would have to be expiring contracts.
    Why? The only untouchable on their roster is Shai, who's still got three years left on a rookie deal. Their future is him, maybe Ferguson and their picks. Those big contracts would run out just as all their guys have to get paid after Shai. What if the 76ers included Shake or Zhaire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblisterdundee View Post
    Why? The only untouchable on their roster is Shai, who's still got three years left on a rookie deal. Their future is him, maybe Ferguson and their picks. Those big contracts would run out just as all their guys have to get paid after Shai. What if the 76ers included Shake or Zhaire?
    Untouchables in the Thunder's roster are both SGA and Adams, OKC wouldn't have the slightest interest to take Horford's contract and lock that much of money for another 3 seasons, nor would ever consider Harris to have heavy in their stomach for another ...5 seasons at the price! Maybe if Harris was up to 17-18M annually they would consider him, but 5/170M no way!

    Think about it... Why would they lock 5/170M on Harris when they can pick Gerami Grant back out of free agency for 4/70-80M max? Are they crazy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblisterdundee View Post
    Why? The only untouchable on their roster is Shai, who's still got three years left on a rookie deal. Their future is him, maybe Ferguson and their picks. Those big contracts would run out just as all their guys have to get paid after Shai. What if the 76ers included Shake or Zhaire?
    OKC is going to be one of those teams that’s going to continually struggle to get FAs because of being a small market team. Teams like that have historically struggled to get players. So if they can do some level of shuffling the deck for a few assets like Shake or a pick, they’ll take advantage of that. SGA is the future at PG for them so coming up with a 4 that can space for them or a heady C like Horford would be a good thing for them. Will be interesting if they try to resign Gallo to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    OKC is going to be one of those teams that’s going to continually struggle to get FAs because of being a small market team. Teams like that have historically struggled to get players. So if they can do some level of shuffling the deck for a few assets like Shake or a pick, they’ll take advantage of that. SGA is the future at PG for them so coming up with a 4 that can space for them or a heady C like Horford would be a good thing for them. Will be interesting if they try to resign Gallo to be honest.
    Nah, nah, no & nope! If you just propose them to eat Horford's contract at this stage, you'll hear the F-word next to the phone slam in your face!

    They aren't taking bad contracts back unless if they are expiring! That much everyone should be able to figure out!

    All that "small market" teams aren't attractive and "big market" teams all players want go is all nonsense! The preferred destinations for players are first the contending teams, then the teams which can provide them with more playing minutes and then the teams with short time potential.

    Take the Knicks as an example, none wants to go there although it is the highest market team out of all and then take Mil as an example which is the most desirable destination currently.

    EDIT: As of Gallo, he has said during the previous off season that he won't look to the size of his next contract, but he will look to join a team where he can chase a ring this up coming off season, therefore don't expect him back in OKC for the next season.
    Last edited by mouseslept; 07-31-2020 at 11:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseslept View Post
    Yes, I've become aware of that alright.

    The guy doesn't even have the basic knowledge required as to understand why CP3's contract doesn't fit the Thunder's time table and as a consequence decelerates their future plans because of the huge value of the salary it occupies in their books which they would then invest on more young players.

    In fact I believe that OKC would be prepared to throw in one out of the army of 1st picks they have collected this previous off season in order to finance CP3's transfer, if the return would include expiring contracts and perhaps a couple of young role players on tempting salaries which they would then use to come from the bench and supplement their starting unit which they will gradually built around SGA and Adams by using the picks they've collected and by hitting hard in the free agency market...

    I can see them making a king's offer for Joe Harris this following off season and may be they will attempt to recruit with Gerami Grant too. There is also Bogdan Bogdanovic of course, but I'm not sure he fits their time table at 29y.o.
    Miami tried to get 2 1sts for taking CP3 but OKC actually wanted 1sts in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggie View Post
    Miami tried to get 2 1sts for taking CP3 but OKC actually wanted 1sts in return.
    What was the proposal?

    Dragic and what else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseslept View Post
    Nah, nah, no & nope! If you just propose them to eat Horford's contract at this stage, you'll hear the F-word next to the phone slam in your face!

    They aren't taking bad contracts back unless if they are expiring! That much everyone should be able to figure out!
    All that "small market" teams aren't attractive and "big market" teams all players want go is all nonsense! The preferred destinations for players are first the contending teams, then the teams which can provide them with more playing minutes and then the teams with short time potential.
    Take the Knicks as an example, none wants to go there although it is the highest market team out of all and then take Mil as an example which is the most desirable destination currently.
    EDIT: As of Gallo, he has said during the previous off season that he won't look to the size of his next contract, but he will look to join a team where he can chase a ring this up coming off season, therefore don't expect him back in OKC for the next season.
    The Knicks have James Dolan, which overrides their market size.
    As for Oklahoma not taking back bad contracts to get rid of Paul, you're not thinking very strategically. Like Warfeig said, they're not a destination for free agents as a non-contender in a supremely unattractive market like Oklahoma.
    If they can take on a bad contract worth $10 million a season less than Paul's with only one more year on it, along with Harris and a young asset or two, they should jump at that. Who knows when Paul will break down again and lose all value?
    Harris will be a combo forward who can get you 20 points per game, 6-7 rebounds and shoot decently from outside throughout his entire contract, even if he is overpaid. As his contract gets shorter, the Thunder could probably even trade it if they wanted to. Horford will have more playing time at power forward and provide a solid backup to Adams at center.
    Imagine a back court of Shake and Shai, two young, 6'5" combo guards who can spread the floor with their shooting, and one of whom is an awesome defender. And they're both going to be restricted free agents. That's how you move a limited franchise like Oklahoma forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblisterdundee View Post
    The Knicks have James Dolan, which overrides their market size.
    As for Oklahoma not taking back bad contracts to get rid of Paul, you're not thinking very strategically. Like Warfeig said, they're not a destination for free agents as a non-contender in a supremely unattractive market like Oklahoma.
    If they can take on a bad contract worth $10 million a season less than Paul's with only one more year on it, along with Harris and a young asset or two, they should jump at that. Who knows when Paul will break down again and lose all value?
    Harris will be a combo forward who can get you 20 points per game, 6-7 rebounds and shoot decently from outside throughout his entire contract, even if he is overpaid. As his contract gets shorter, the Thunder could probably even trade it if they wanted to. Horford will have more playing time at power forward and provide a solid backup to Adams at center.
    Imagine a back court of Shake and Shai, two young, 6'5" combo guards who can spread the floor with their shooting, and one of whom is an awesome defender. And they're both going to be restricted free agents. That's how you move a limited franchise like Oklahoma forward.
    NO, nah, nope and Niet!

    Forget about OKC "eating" 3/160M + 2/75M = 225M in 5 seasons!

    What you think 225M is?

    A business man in sport business does invest that kind of money if it gets him somewhere (if it turns him into being a contender) he ain't crazy to throw 225M "out of the window" and get nowhere!

    Use your calculator, it takes no math genius to make a simple addition... CP3 has 85/2 remaining and adding Gerami Grant and joe Harris out of free agency would take about 35M annually for both... The lot adds up to 4/225 but you have CP3 for another two season and Joe Harris with Gerami Grant for another 4 seasons, you don't have garbage sitting on the bench and occupying a roster spot while it costs 3/70!

    Being a homer is one thing, it doesn't make you and your team clever and all others as thick as a brick!

    LOL... "Drop the 2/85 and have CP3 and pay 3/70 to not have CP3 and eat Horford to have him wiping the bench with his jersey to polish it up"! Fans are really smart!

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    Do you guys realise that OKC will have 10 1st picks to land over the next 4 seasons?

    Do you guys realise that they'll additionally have all the money in the world to hit hard into free agency alongside with the picks?

    Do you guys realise that if they can move CP3 for expiring and a couple of role players they'll have even more money to hit even harder into free agency?

    What do you expect them then? Is it to be insane and lock 225M instead of spending them into free agency so that they do you a service and you can add CP3 while they block their money and become worst than if they would have retained CP3 at the same time?

    You really think you are smart and they are idiots, don't you?

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    I just skimmed through but is the debate that the thunder would take Horford and or Harris to get out of CP3s contract? That is 100% not the case. They’ll let him expire before they do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggie View Post
    I just skimmed through but is the debate that the thunder would take Horford and or Harris to get out of CP3s contract? That is 100% not the case. They’ll let him expire before they do that.
    It is exactly the debate and I'm trying to explain to them that what they propose is LOLable.

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