Reparations

[ewing]

Where have I ever said this. If you can't show it, be man enough to apologize (like that will happen.)

You constantly say it. Jesus you even said Amazon employees should have been thankful keeping there jobs during the pandemic when business was/is booming. You are at best a classist


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[Sluggo1]

You constantly say it. Jesus you even said Amazon employees should have been thankful keeping there jobs during the pandemic when business was/is booming. You are at best a classist


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This is what you stated that I said………

"Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you."

Show me where I said the bolded part.

[WES445]

My primary exposure is not with inner cities, but far more rural (often EXTREMELY rural as in 60 miles to the nearest gas station rural) native populations. Many feel the need to continue their culture, often talking like it's a cop out to get government loans and grants to go to college, but often not finishing high school to even be thinking college. Then some that do get decent jobs often subsidize family who didn't. Depression, significant alcohol abuse and/or what we view as anti-social behavior makes things that much more difficult and the end result is continual generations of only a very low percentage of them getting to the point they prosper in the western sense. They get government checks and checks from their tribe's casino but it changes very little. Given they want to maintain their culture, I'm not sure what could be changed that really helps.

It called defeatism on their part in believing this is all there is and yours for not being sure this could be changed.
I am not literally tagging you as a defeatist but to often our politicans thinks this way when they cut social programs to the poor of all stripe. Why brother they will never change, than out comes the shears to cut education, etc. Sometimes the ones on the outside contribute to this cycle of poverty with their attitude.

[ewing]

This is what you stated that I said………

"Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you."

Show me where I said the bolded part.

Show me an instance where you have not taken the side of the monied class when they have a conflict of interest with a lower class and I will take back my generalation. You act like you pay people out of charity


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[GGGGG-Men]

But to give land or business ownership you're taking it away from a private citizen.

Umm that’s kind of the history here of how they got it in the first place.

Now, if you're talking government owned land, it wouldn't...problem is, often times there's an environmental/land conservation reason the government controls it in the first place.

Then there's the question re African Americans...if it's reparations related to slavery, how do people show they're descendents of US slaves? If it's reparations for ongoing opression period, similar question. I mean if I just emigrated here from Ethiopia I just basically got reparations when I got here.

I can understand reparations. Who pays for it gets much cloudier as does who gets it. Maybe rather than any direct money or taking away from a private citizen reparation comes in the form of scholarships, tuition waivers, school loan forgiveness and like you mention tax cuts. However, tax cuts mean little to someone who doesn't make much and even free college doesn't mean much to someone who refuses to go (like the failed Gear Up program proved where tens of millions were spent to persuade and help natives go to college and very few did). So, I'm talking myself in circles I guess.

Government land, private land, etc. whatever. I’m not making the demand, they are. And the response should be considerate and receptive rather than constantly ignored. It’s not up to us to decide the details. We just need something done.


I don’t see a need for African Americans to prove they were slaves. The system is broken against them regardless. And again I say, I’d rather we spend more efforts fixing these things than throwing around compensation packages.

Tax cuts or as I said credits, meaning if you don’t make much there’s still a minimum credit back. Maybe you’re at or below poverty level so instead of simply having a zero tax balance you get a credit.


Honestly none of us here (maybe flips) have the experience and knowledge from a social political and sociological perspective to determine what should be done. But clearly it’s more than what we’ve done.


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[nastynice]

And in about 5 years…the money will have been spent, there will be just as many single parent households and out of wedlock births, the education level of African Americans will not have changed.

Then what??? What is the next solution to their plight????

Sorry but you're wrong. I've been around south side chicago for 5 years, it is so obvious that all you need to do is provide opportunity. Not handouts, but opportunities. The best thing about opportunities are once they learn how to walk, you don't have to feed it anymore. You just let it walk on their own.

What's your point about single parent households and out of wedlock births? America has more of that than most of the world, yet we seem to be doing fine. Someone dumbed down life too much for you and you fell for it.

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And in about 5 years…the money will have been spent, there will be just as many single parent households and out of wedlock births, the education level of African Americans will not have changed.

Then what??? What is the next solution to their plight????

Yikes

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[brett05]

What's your point about single parent households and out of wedlock births? America has more of that than most of the world, yet we seem to be doing fine.

Doing fine? Some definition.

Do these three things in life and you'll avoid poverty.
1) Graduate High School
2) Get a Job
3) Don't have kids before you get married

[benny01]

Doing fine? Some definition.

Do these three things in life and you'll avoid poverty.
1) Graduate High School
2) Get a Job
3) Don't have kids before you get married

Its a hell of a start, but hasn't been true for decades.

[SiteWolf]

Umm that’s kind of the history here of how they got it in the first place.

It wasn't the same 'they' (individuals) that took the land or had it taken from them. I'm talking logistically. For example, I have friends...just good people who, like me, had their family originally come over from Scandanavia in the early 1900s...so had nothing to do with what happened to the indigenous people. They worked hard all their lives in order to save up, buy a piece of land in the Black Hills, and build their dream home. They should give that up, even if compensated by the government? Multiply that by thousands of times to give the Lakota the Black Hills.

Government land, private land, etc. whatever. I’m not making the demand, they are. And the response should be considerate and receptive rather than constantly ignored. It’s not up to us to decide the details. We just need something done.


I don’t see a need for African Americans to prove they were slaves. The system is broken against them regardless. And again I say, I’d rather we spend more efforts fixing these things than throwing around compensation packages.

Tax cuts or as I said credits, meaning if you don’t make much there’s still a minimum credit back. Maybe you’re at or below poverty level so instead of simply having a zero tax balance you get a credit.


Honestly none of us here (maybe flips) have the experience and knowledge from a social political and sociological perspective to determine what should be done. But clearly it’s more than what we’ve done.


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I only mentioned 'proving they descended from slaves' if reparations were deemed specifically FOR that...I also mentioned if not, who all would be involved when some have not been in this country as long as others.....but all of this just goes to show the many layers involved.......meaning, I'd agree that direct reparations isn't likely the answer.......fix the system, work to correct/educate to end oppression, add programs/infrastructure to allow people better opportunities to prosper.

[brett05]

Its a hell of a start, but hasn't been true for decades.

Which is why when those three things aren't done we have the societal issues we have today.

[Sluggo1]

Yikes

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Meaning what???

[Sluggo1]

Show me an instance where you have not taken the side of the monied class when they have a conflict of interest with a lower class and I will take back my generalation. You act like you pay people out of charity


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Let's try to be clear here (not easy to do on these boards)

In fact, let me be painfully clear so as to not mix anyone up (least of all you)

Bolded…I always have sided with the monied class over the lower class. Always

Let me repeat that for clarity:I always have sided with the monied class over the lower class. Always.

Here's why…

Monied class = Income
Lower Class = Expense

We should always try to maximize income and reduce/control expense. The more monet the "monied class" makes, the more opportunities are created for anything below them. The lower the lower class is, the less they create and the more expensive they become. You, and others, keep assuming that the "monied class" makes money and sits on it as if it were Uncle Scrooge's money bin. Nothing is further from the truth. Money moves. Money creates.

Money==>opportunity==>more money==>more opportunity

I am all for opportunity. No matter how low you are, I am all for moving up.

And for the record, on a scale of money and success, I would give myself a 4-5 on a scale of 10.

So, just to be clear…I always have sided with the monied class over the lower class. Always

……………

Part 2 This is what you said earlier……

This is what you stated that I said………

"Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you."

Show me where I said the bolded part.

I asked you to show me where I stated the bolded part…twice now…and you haven't done it. Can you or can't you back up what you said. If not, be adult enough (lololololololol like that's going to happen) to withdraw the statement and apologize.

[ewing]

Let's try to be clear here (not easy to do on these boards)

In fact, let me be painfully clear so as to not mix anyone up (least of all you)

Bolded…I always have sided with the monied class over the lower class. Always

Let me repeat that for clarity:I always have sided with the monied class over the lower class. Always.

Here's why…

Monied class = Income
Lower Class = Expense

We should always try to maximize income and reduce/control expense. The more monet the "monied class" makes, the more opportunities are created for anything below them. The lower the lower class is, the less they create and the more expensive they become. You, and others, keep assuming that the "monied class" makes money and sits on it as if it were Uncle Scrooge's money bin. Nothing is further from the truth. Money moves. Money creates.

Money==>opportunity==>more money==>more opportunity

I am all for opportunity. No matter how low you are, I am all for moving up.

And for the record, on a scale of money and success, I would give myself a 4-5 on a scale of 10.

So, just to be clear…I always have sided with the monied class over the lower class. Always

……………

Part 2 This is what you said earlier……

This is what you stated that I said………

"Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you."

Show me where I said the bolded part.

I asked you to show me where I stated the bolded part…twice now…and you haven't done it. Can you or can't you back up what you said. If not, be adult enough (lololololololol like that's going to happen) to withdraw the statement and apologize.

It’s a true statement.


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[Sluggo1]

It’s a true statement.


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This is what you stated that I said………

"Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you."

Show me where I said the bolded part.

Show me where I said it or admit that you made it up.

Either you can or you can't. Which is it???