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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Land ownership or profit shares of businesses on former tribal land to native Americans.

    Tax cuts for African Americans, credits if they’re out of work.

    Let’s start with that.


    The reality is if we fix the broken pieces of the overall system, reparations requests will fade. But minorities can’t even ask to not be killed while being an unarmed nonthreatening citizen without resistance.


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    What about those that lost out to Affirmative Action?

    and it's not just minorities that are unarmed and killed. But it seems that racism is a one way street for you, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I whether not give out money, tax cuts or short term remedy to one group of people. How about making apart of a major social push for everyone. Medicare for all, greatly improve our educational system on the level of most wealthy of us, college tution reduction to match student family wages, if poverty level free. Middle class, no more then two month salary. This just spit balling, but these would have long term effect while strictly enforcing that all americans share equally by income levels. Call it a reparations to the american people for being ripped off for centuries by the upper class with the blessing of the government. Any economical for minorities and small business can use the same guideline.

    This isn't about money so much being treated fairly, equally and ensuring the ability to rise out of proverty or staying out of poverty.
    Good post Wes


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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I just don't see how just paiding off people will solve problems old or new.
    Short, to the point, and spot on accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I just don't see how just paiding off people will solve problems old or new.
    I'd agree. People in general are horrible with their money, as evidenced by the amount of credit people take on. People get big tax refunds and view it as free money to spend on toys, instead of realizing it's repayment of a zero-interest loan they gave the government for a year. People get a stim check and think $1200- sweet, get me a 70" Ultra HD TV even tho there's nothing wrong with the 60" I got with last year's tax refund.

    Whatever generational wealth was lost over the decades isn't logically quantified or repaid. Move on from where we are today, hopefully in better more equitable directions. I mean I see logic in putting money into things like housing and tuition reductions...those things are at least less likely to be poorly spent (other than, I suppose, contractors padding expenses, etc)
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Short, to the point, and spot on accurate.
    I figure that part of my rant would please you. It was only a part. The average Joe needs a lot of help now, and the government would be wise to expand social programs and services.
    A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I figure that part of my rant would please you. It was only a part. The average Joe needs a lot of help now, and the government would be wise to expand social programs and services.
    I'd feel a lot better if I could see "the average Joe" make some sort of attempt to meet society in the middle. I just don't see that.

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    Living where I've lived the bulk of my life, I may not be seeing some of this the way it really is. But, it seems to me that, while social programs are and have certainly been needed, there are some that actually result in basically generational welfare- people growing up in families receiving government assistance that end up doing the same when they have their own families...people less incentivized to get out of bad situations because it's what they grew up with and all they know. Single women who have children largely to increase the check the govt sends them every month.

    Far too many people...and I'm not remotely talking race on ANY of this, but class...that spend their lives with their hands out when what they need is a hand up. Now would be a PERFECT time to work towards creating opportunities, jobs, new careers for many of the unemployed...creating positions that never existed before but are needed with changes we need to be making going forward.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Living where I've lived the bulk of my life, I may not be seeing some of this the way it really is. But, it seems to me that, while social programs are and have certainly been needed, there are some that actually result in basically generational welfare- people growing up in families receiving government assistance that end up doing the same when they have their own families...people less incentivized to get out of bad situations because it's what they grew up with and all they know. Single women who have children largely to increase the check the govt sends them every month.

    Far too many people...and I'm not remotely talking race on ANY of this, but class...that spend their lives with their hands out when what they need is a hand up. Now would be a PERFECT time to work towards creating opportunities, jobs, new careers for many of the unemployed...creating positions that never existed before but are needed with changes we need to be making going forward.
    I really think that is a myth so the government won't make the changes that make a different or not to do anything at all. Most of your generational welfare, I think, to happen in the poverty-stricken neighborhood (both rural and urban) with high gang/drug activities, poor schools, and politicians constantly calling them moochers, while doing nothing to alleviate the things that keep them in their state. Change the environment, you change the people. The same old same old in the same out.
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    A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I'd feel a lot better if I could see "the average Joe" make some sort of attempt to meet society in the middle. I just don't see that.
    What do you mean "meet society" and who are the ones who set the standards to be met?
    A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    What do you mean "meet society" and who are the ones who set the standards to be met?
    Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you.


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    If it is what I am thinking, he doesn't have the balls to spell it out and why.
    A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.

    Martin Luther King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Sluggos. Anything a Sluggo has he earned. Anything “you people” get you should be thankful for bc someone like Sluggo gave it to you.


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    Where have I ever said this. If you can't show it, be man enough to apologize (like that will happen.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    I really think that is a myth so the government won't make the changes that make a different or not to do anything at all. Most of your generational welfare, I think, to happen in the poverty-stricken neighborhood (both rural and urban) with high gang/drug activities, poor schools, and politicians constantly calling them moochers, while doing nothing to alleviate the things that keep them in their state. Change the environment, you change the people. The same old same old in the same out.
    My primary exposure is not with inner cities, but far more rural (often EXTREMELY rural as in 60 miles to the nearest gas station rural) native populations. Many feel the need to continue their culture, often talking like it's a cop out to get government loans and grants to go to college, but often not finishing high school to even be thinking college. Then some that do get decent jobs often subsidize family who didn't. Depression, significant alcohol abuse and/or what we view as anti-social behavior makes things that much more difficult and the end result is continual generations of only a very low percentage of them getting to the point they prosper in the western sense. They get government checks and checks from their tribe's casino but it changes very little. Given they want to maintain their culture, I'm not sure what could be changed that really helps.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    If it is what I am thinking, he doesn't have the balls to spell it out and why.
    Same as above. Show me where I have ever said this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    What do you mean "meet society" and who are the ones who set the standards to be met?
    There are a standard of norms. To get by you need to figure them out.

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