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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    The name is definitely going to change. There is too much money at stake. The Cleveland Indians and their logo will likely be next. Iím not so sure about the Chiefs though. Chiefs is not a derogatory term. Their logo is also not derogatory. The Redskins name and Indians logo are.

    I wonder if the option would be there to rename the teams after actual tribes that are indigenous to the area that the teams play. Like paying homage.


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    Cleveland Indians have mostly done way with the Chief Wahoo logo. They use the Block-C for almost everything now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    Also, let's put things into perspective here. The naming rights are only $7.5 million a season. Snyder has the name, marketing, brand and fight song that have value. Current naming rights for the Big Four leagues average $6.5 million. Even if no company wants the naming rights, that's still an acceptable loss for a billionaire like Snyder.

    On the other hand, all new merchandise and jersey sales would be an immediate influx of cash.
    well heres the deal... you said if they change the name youll probably be done with the team, I am of that mindset also. Theyre not going to gain any fans by changing the name(or at least an amount thats noticeable). Football fans are already football fans, theres not going to be anyone that converts from another team, so how much new merchandise will he really sell? Whos going to buy a bravehearts shirt or whatever other name he might have in mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkieMark48 View Post
    well heres the deal... you said if they change the name youll probably be done with the team, I am of that mindset also. Theyre not going to gain any fans by changing the name(or at least an amount thats noticeable). Football fans are already football fans, theres not going to be anyone that converts from another team, so how much new merchandise will he really sell? Whos going to buy a bravehearts shirt or whatever other name he might have in mind?
    The Washington William Wallace's, I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA all the way View Post
    The Washington William Wallace's, I like that.
    I mean that what I'm saying... whatever name they pick is just going to sound goofy af. The only name I would half way agree with is simply Braves, the original team name but we all know thats not gonna happen bc the ATL Braves are getting a push to change their name too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    The name is definitely going to change. There is too much money at stake. The Cleveland Indians and their logo will likely be next. Iím not so sure about the Chiefs though. Chiefs is not a derogatory term. Their logo is also not derogatory. The Redskins name and Indians logo are.

    I wonder if the option would be there to rename the teams after actual tribes that are indigenous to the area that the teams play. Like paying homage.


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    The Indians have already removed Chief Wahoo from everything. But you should do some research, because many of the same groups that have been pushing for the Redskins name change are also pushing for name changes for the Chiefs, Indians and Braves. In our current cancel culture, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys or Patriots on the block soon either.

    The logo is actually based on the Powhatan tribe. The team name was changed to the Redskins after they hired an American Indian as head coach when the team was still in Boston. One tribe, the Blackfeet Tribe, is completely mixed on how they feel about the team name. The Redskins have a couple video packages over the years of some tribes that are fine with it. There is a reservation high school in Arizona that calls themselves the Indians.

    Naming the team after another tribe, or even something similar like Warriors, would be just as crucified as the Redskins name and called out for being a weak half-measure.

    Also, if you say it will change because of money, then you underestimate Daniel Snyder. Unless he is faced with being forced to sell because league money is at stake, I don't think he changes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkieMark48 View Post
    well heres the deal... you said if they change the name youll probably be done with the team, I am of that mindset also. Theyre not going to gain any fans by changing the name(or at least an amount thats noticeable). Football fans are already football fans, theres not going to be anyone that converts from another team, so how much new merchandise will he really sell? Whos going to buy a bravehearts shirt or whatever other name he might have in mind?
    There will always be fans who need to get the new thing. He's already bleed out most of the Maryland fan base to the Ravens, and lost some of the southern VA fans to the Panthers, but there will be some who buy it. Not to mention some SJW's who will get it and show up in the beginning. But you are right, it won't be that much long-term support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Cleveland Indians have mostly done way with the Chief Wahoo logo. They use the Block-C for almost everything now.
    And they are still being pressured to change the name. Same with the Braves, who just got rid of the Tomahawk Chop chant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    And they are still being pressured to change the name. Same with the Braves, who just got rid of the Tomahawk Chop chant.
    Forgot about the Braves one. I think the Cleveland Indians will end up being fine.

    Although I saw a good suggestion:
    Washington Warriors. Using this old design:


    It's not a huge change in team colors, or massive change to aesthetics. It takes the derogatory implications of "Redskins" and turns it into something positive. Added thing I saw: Nike should do a jersey trade in program on Sean Taylor jerseys whenever this happens. Basically you send in your Redskins Taylor jersey, and they will replace it with whatever the new jersey is at cost (meaning what it costs them to make it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    The Indians have already removed Chief Wahoo from everything. But you should do some research, because many of the same groups that have been pushing for the Redskins name change are also pushing for name changes for the Chiefs, Indians and Braves. In our current cancel culture, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys or Patriots on the block soon either.

    The logo is actually based on the Powhatan tribe. The team name was changed to the Redskins after they hired an American Indian as head coach when the team was still in Boston. One tribe, the Blackfeet Tribe, is completely mixed on how they feel about the team name. The Redskins have a couple video packages over the years of some tribes that are fine with it. There is a reservation high school in Arizona that calls themselves the Indians.

    Naming the team after another tribe, or even something similar like Warriors, would be just as crucified as the Redskins name and called out for being a weak half-measure.

    Also, if you say it will change because of money, then you underestimate Daniel Snyder. Unless he is faced with being forced to sell because league money is at stake, I don't think he changes it.
    This is also what I dont know about... it seems like every so often theres a survey or poll released that says "the majority of native-americans support the name" then a couple years later theres another one that gets released and says "the majority of native-americans want the name to change" So which one is it? I know theres native americans that want the name change. Here in Richmond there was 1(literally 1) outside of the training camp facility last year with a sign that read "change the name". I feel like until someone can legitimately go tribe by tribe and get a true survey of what the feelings are, I dont know what to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Forgot about the Braves one. I think the Cleveland Indians will end up being fine.

    Although I saw a good suggestion:
    Washington Warriors. Using this old design:


    It's not a huge change in team colors, or massive change to aesthetics. It takes the derogatory implications of "Redskins" and turns it into something positive. Added thing I saw: Nike should do a jersey trade in program on Sean Taylor jerseys whenever this happens. Basically you send in your Redskins Taylor jersey, and they will replace it with whatever the new jersey is at cost (meaning what it costs them to make it).
    got that Sean Taylor jersey lol... the thought of me having to say I'm a warriors fan (then having to distinguish which one)... yuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkieMark48 View Post
    This is also what I dont know about... it seems like every so often theres a survey or poll released that says "the majority of native-americans support the name" then a couple years later theres another one that gets released and says "the majority of native-americans want the name to change" So which one is it? I know theres native americans that want the name change. Here in Richmond there was 1(literally 1) outside of the training camp facility last year with a sign that read "change the name". I feel like until someone can legitimately go tribe by tribe and get a true survey of what the feelings are, I dont know what to believe.
    I think it is literally a tribe by tribe thing. I remember other tribes wanted FSU to ditch the ďSeminoleĒ nickname and use something else, and the Seminole nation spoke out and said those other tribes had no right to say if their name could or couldnít be used. So FSU works with the Seminole Nation when it comes to logo design and usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    Dan Snyder won't do anything until he is backed into a corner. He owns the land around Fed Ex Field outright. Even if the sponsors drop out, he'll find new ones. Cabella's Field sounds about right, or maybe Bass Pro Shop's Field. If he has to, he will tear down the current stadium and build a new one if the name is what is holding back a land deal with DC, MD or VA.

    Now, if people take this a step further and get the NFL involved, and the sponsorships of the league and other owners are at risk, then we might see a name change, or Snyder being forced to sell the team if he refuses to make the change. Snyder isn't popular in league circles, especially after how the firing of former NFL executive Brian Lafemina was handled, and I can't see many owners backing him up. The Kansas City Chiefs will soon find themselves in the same boat, so maybe the Hunt family backs him up. In our cancel culture world now, maybe some people find an issue with Cowboys, so Jerry Jones has his back.

    Other than those two teams? I don't see Snyder having any allies in this if it gets to the league level, and I have no doubt it will.

    Also, don't expect Snyder to make any public appearances about this. He will send out a statement, and maybe trot out Ron Rivera to make one, in the same way he used to send out Tony Wyllie and Bruce Allen.

    As a Redskins fan, if the team name changes, I might just be done as a fan. Yeah, after all we've been through under Dan Snyder, that doesn't make sense, but I am burnt out on this franchise. Changing the name is enough to have me be done with them. I won't root for another team, though as a Packers stockholder I will probably watch them the most, and I will still watch the NFL. This will just put my level of apathy over the top.
    I wouldn't blame any Redskins fans for jumping ship with a name change. I mean, at that point its basically a new team, unless there's players you care about. With the Panthers losing nearly every player I've had an emotional attachment to the last few years and me not living in NC, I'd probably jump ship if they changed the mascot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    The name is definitely going to change. There is too much money at stake. The Cleveland Indians and their logo will likely be next. Iím not so sure about the Chiefs though. Chiefs is not a derogatory term. Their logo is also not derogatory. The Redskins name and Indians logo are.

    I wonder if the option would be there to rename the teams after actual tribes that are indigenous to the area that the teams play. Like paying homage.


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    I've read about companies removing "chief" from job titles because it's "stealing from Amerindian culture" or some ****. I wouldn't consider anything safe from the never ending competition to see who be the wokest. The Chiefs, Raiders, Bucs, and Vikings will be the next targets, then the Pats and Cowboys, and finally the 49ers and Steelers. Animal mascots seem like the only safe ones, long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Forgot about the Braves one. I think the Cleveland Indians will end up being fine.

    Although I saw a good suggestion:
    Washington Warriors. Using this old design:


    It's not a huge change in team colors, or massive change to aesthetics. It takes the derogatory implications of "Redskins" and turns it into something positive. Added thing I saw: Nike should do a jersey trade in program on Sean Taylor jerseys whenever this happens. Basically you send in your Redskins Taylor jersey, and they will replace it with whatever the new jersey is at cost (meaning what it costs them to make it).
    That's probably the easiest path to move forward with when a chance eventually happens, but i don't think Warriors (with an Amerindian style arrow/feather logo) is future proof. Someone will eventually take offense that it portrays Amerindians as war savages or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    I wouldn't blame any Redskins fans for jumping ship with a name change. I mean, at that point its basically a new team, unless there's players you care about. With the Panthers losing nearly every player I've had an emotional attachment to the last few years and me not living in NC, I'd probably jump ship if they changed the mascot.



    I've read about companies removing "chief" from job titles because it's "stealing from Amerindian culture" or some ****. I wouldn't consider anything safe from the never ending competition to see who be the wokest. The Chiefs, Raiders, Bucs, and Vikings will be the next targets, then the Pats and Cowboys, and finally the 49ers and Steelers. Animal mascots seem like the only safe ones, long term.
    As someone who has had a beloved franchise move out of town on them I call bull on jumping ship just because the team changed name. Itís not ďbasically a new teamĒ. If you would change fandom over a change in mascot maybe you arenít really a fan. [emoji2369]

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    As someone who has had a beloved franchise move out of town on them I call bull on jumping ship just because the team changed name. Itís not ďbasically a new teamĒ. If you would change fandom over a change in mascot maybe you arenít really a fan. [emoji2369]
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