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  1. #31
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    Eh. Shoulda stuck with Stidham.

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    The disrespect is comical.

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    I donít get whatís disrespectful to not be excited about a 31 year old mobile QB coming off ankle surgery and throwing shoulder injury who might have the worst WR/TE/RB group in the NFL.

    Personally I think they should have run with Stidham and see if they really have something in him or if they need to think about rebooting everything. Cam will put them on the NFL treadmill of mediocrity.

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    Made the most sense all along.

    Cam should feel right at home with the WRs and OL the Patriots got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    I donít get whatís disrespectful to not be excited about a 31 year old mobile QB coming off ankle surgery and throwing shoulder injury who might have the worst WR/TE/RB group in the NFL.

    Personally I think they should have run with Stidham and see if they really have something in him or if they need to think about rebooting everything. Cam will put them on the NFL treadmill of mediocrity.
    Nothing says Stidham doesn't beat him out for the starting gig
    Besides the injuries, Cam will come into training camp well behind in a lot of areas with limited time to catch up
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Not a fan of this. Donít think this team is very good around the QB position. Letís say he balls out and carries us to a 9-7 record... now weíre in the same situation next year. Well have to ponder whether or not to pay him big money as he ages and declines or turn it over to the unproven guy. Except now that unproven guy has one less rookie contract year.
    Even with Stidham at the helm this team isn't bad enough to get a top draft pick.

    If Cam "balls out" he'll get extended or franchise tagged. Actually if the NFL plays in (mostly) empty stadiums, the 2021 franchise tag will be relatively cheap assuming teams will re-structure franchise QB contracts to create cap space. (Obviously this won't apply to someone who already got tagged in 2020. *cough* Dak *cough*)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Nothing says Stidham doesn't beat him out for the starting gig
    Besides the injuries, Cam will come into training camp well behind in a lot of areas with limited time to catch up
    True. Itís no guarantee at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Even with Stidham at the helm this team isn't bad enough to get a top draft pick.

    If Cam "balls out" he'll get extended or franchise tagged. Actually if the NFL plays in (mostly) empty stadiums, the 2021 franchise tag will be relatively cheap assuming teams will re-structure franchise QB contracts to create cap space. (Obviously this won't apply to someone who already got tagged in 2020. *cough* Dak *cough*)
    Why would players tagged next year want that. The tag is based on contracts not cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Why would players tagged next year want that. The tag is based on contracts not cap.
    Since when do players have a choice if they get tagged?

    The franchise tag value is based on the average salary of the current year's top contracts. If several top contracts get restructured in 2021 to free up cap space, that would lower the value of the tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Since when do players have a choice if they get tagged?

    The franchise tag value is based on the average salary of the current year's top contracts. If several top contracts get restructured in 2021 to free up cap space, that would lower the value of the tag.
    Fair enough. I said nothing about players choice. Just pointing out that thereís little incentive for them to lower their tag price on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Fair enough. I said nothing about players choice. Just pointing out that thereís little incentive for them to lower their tag price on their own.
    It's an indirect effect.

    Say your team has no cap space to sign free agents due to the loss in revenue and you're the QB getting asked to convert your current year's salary into a restructuring bonus that's assigned to future cap years, why wouldn't you do it? You get the same money either way, and even become harder to be released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    Lol no there's not. There's certainly some good plays that he makes here and there from the pocket, but not really much to say he's consistently a good pocket passer
    Cam will be playing for Josh McDaniels anyway... the guy who drafted Tim Tebow in the first round as you well remember.

    The offense will look different not just because of the addition of Cam, but Stidham who was the supposed starting QB since free agency is athletic as well.

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    Havenít seen the exact details of the contract but itís being reported that the fine they paid was more then the guarantees to Cam. Lol
    Maybe they signed him to distract everyone from the penalty. Lol

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    Heard Cam gets 7.5 million IF he hits all of his incentives. Crazy good deal for the Pats.
    The Baker has come. Believe the hype.


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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    again explain a sub 60 comp pct and sub 7 ypa the majority of his last 4 years once people realized you could just make him be a pocket passer?
    He's literally always been a pocket passer who also had designed runs. You can't "make someone be a pocket passer" when their own coaches are already doing it. This is one of the dumbest takes in football. Like you think it took 6 seasons for teams to think you can just run a generic contain defense? Even you must realize how dumb that sounds.

    His sub 60% completion is due to bad offensive surroundings and playing in a downfield offense with receivers who couldn't get separation. In 2018 we shifted to a dink and dunk offense and he was at nearly 70% before his shoulder injury. Put Patrick Mahomes on the 2016-2017 Panthers throwing down field to Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess while being protected by Mike Remmers and Matt Kalil and he'd look like an average deep passer too. That offense was easily the most unfriendly offense for a QB to play in that I've seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    I donít get whatís disrespectful to not be excited about a 31 year old mobile QB coming off ankle surgery and throwing shoulder injury who might have the worst WR/TE/RB group in the NFL.

    Personally I think they should have run with Stidham and see if they really have something in him or if they need to think about rebooting everything. Cam will put them on the NFL treadmill of mediocrity.
    Because this is a team that was one Miami choke job away from the #2 seed based entirely on defensive play. Their defense had like 6 games where they scored enough defensive points to outscore the other team. The Pats are too good on defense to legitimately tank. If Cam can play as good as his 2011/2013/2015/2017/early 2018 seasons they'll be competing for a top 3 seed in the AFC. It would make little sense for BB to gamble a season on hoping a young late pick QB takes a big step when Cam is an option for a non guaranteed 7M.

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    Richard Sherman would have offered him much more.......but he didn't.
    Dicky boy, when it's your money, you can spend it how you like....his contract does have incentives paying him nicely if he actually plays and plays well
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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