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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    I've never argued that his impact in rushing doesn't effect the defense when defending the pass. I've argued with any notion that he's not a pocket passer. When he runs, it's typical a designed run with no passing option. When he passes, it's from the pocket. Cam is an absolute weapon and arguably the best short yardage weapon of my lifetime, that doesn't change the fact that he's a pocket passer.

    Also, people are quick to say how his rushing changes how teams defend his passing game, but not so fast to point out how hard the passing game is made by having straight up garbage on offense. 2017 for example featured so many 3rd and 8s that came via disastrous Jonathan Stewart runs; Cams running threat is the only help he had when faced with 3rd and long with bums like Kelvin Benjamin, Devin Funchess, Brenton Bersin, and Kaylin Clay while being "protected" by Matt Kalil and Daryl Williams.



    For the millionth time, he's played on a trash offense that focused on down field throws with WRs who couldn't catch or separate. And again, 2018 in a Brady/Brees type of dink and dunk offense he was at 67% and 7.2 YPA even after 3 games where he clearly couldn't throw without pain.
    in his superbowl year he still had a comp under 60 with less than 500 throws lol... he is beyond overrated

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    for the 3rd time.... over the last 4 years he has a comp pct under 60 and a ypa under 7
    Honestly there couldn't be a better Brady replacement than Cam Newton. All the debate if he plays well is gonna be lit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    You're lying to yourself if you think those 8 rushing attempts per game didn't have a huge impact on the passing game. It isn't about scrambling. Newton runs over twice as much as Rodgers. Newton also averages double the amount of rushing yards per game as Rodgers. So comparing the two players isn't really worthwhile.

    A better comparison would be with the most notorious running QB of all time. Cam Newton actually averages 2 more runs per game than Mike Vick did. And Vick only averaged 4 more yards per game than Newton.

    Listen to any defensive player talk about why it's so stressful trying to defend a running QB.
    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    in his superbowl year he still had a comp under 60 with less than 500 throws lol... he is beyond overrated
    And who were his receivers?

    #1 Ted Ginn: aside from one year with Brees and 3 years with Cam has failed to see the field as a WR.
    #2 Jericho Cotchery's corpse: slow as ****, mediocre hands and dropped two key passes in the SB.
    #3 Philly Brown: UDFA who hasn't done anything since being cut
    #4 rookie Funchess: trash hands and no separation.

    Ginn's drops alone would've put him over 60%, plus another 300 yards and few TDs.

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    Im still on the ďletís see what Stidham hasĒ train, but this is a win win for the patriots. The deal is all incentives. If he starts and hits them all, itís only 7.5 million. Backups make more than that.

    Underrated aspect of this: theyíre about to see what Stidham is made of. Is he mentally tough? Is he going to fight for the job? About to find out.

    Regardless, Cam looks healthy, he seems motivated, and McDaniels will have some tricks up his sleeve with a semi mobile QB. As long as the rookies on defense contribute, the Pats donít need an elite offense to win games, as you saw last year. Edelman, Sanu that isnít playing with a fractured ankle, a year of development for NíKeal Harry, James White and Sony, two athletic rookie TEís....the offense should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/browns-...191138983.html

    Only the Browns and Pats called Cam.
    I'm surprised the Browns called. There's no chance they'd have let Cam and Baker compete for the job, so they'd have been only offering him a backup job, which his camp seemed pretty opposed to. I figured the Jags would've called to give Minshew someone to compete with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Im still on the ďletís see what Stidham hasĒ train, but this is a win win for the patriots. The deal is all incentives. If he starts and hits them all, itís only 7.5 million. Backups make more than that.

    Underrated aspect of this: theyíre about to see what Stidham is made of. Is he mentally tough? Is he going to fight for the job? About to find out.

    Regardless, Cam looks healthy, he seems motivated, and McDaniels will have some tricks up his sleeve with a semi mobile QB. As long as the rookies on defense contribute, the Pats donít need an elite offense to win games, as you saw last year. Edelman, Sanu that isnít playing with a fractured ankle, a year of development for NíKeal Harry, James White and Sony, two athletic rookie TEís....the offense should be fine.
    As a Pats fan, there's literally no downside to this deal. There's no way BB doesn't let Stidham compete for the job, Cams only guaranteed around 1M, and if he wins the starting job and plays like a top 15 QB and hits all incentives, you're only paying another 6M in 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post



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    Lol

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    The Mets just paid more money this year to Bobby Bonilla then Cam got.
    This isnít even a one year prove it deal for Cam as the pats still have the right to tag him.
    It just shows what zero leverage he had and how desperate he was to sign with a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    The Mets just paid more money this year to Bobby Bonilla then Cam got.
    This isnít even a one year prove it deal for Cam as the pats still have the right to tag him.
    It just shows what zero leverage he had and how desperate he was to sign with a team.
    Unless he's got a no tag clause, which he would be stupid not to have.

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    [QUOTE=manbearchef;33515541]Unless he's got a no tag clause, which he would be stupid not to have

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...021-franchise/
    Last edited by mariner4life; 07-01-2020 at 10:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    He's gonna regret that in 2022 when he's 33 trying to land a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    He's gonna regret that in 2022 when he's 33 trying to land a big deal.
    He was desperate though. I guess he thought the alternative of not starting or playing this year wasnít going to be any better.
    Strange though that he couldnít negotiate that provision given how he signed a cheap contract. But again I guess he was desperate.

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