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    People are turning away from these parties and seeking something other than them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamar2006 View Post
    QAnon is gonna make the freedom caucus look like a bunch of AOC's. Will be interesting how many QAnons make it to congress, if any, and how republicans respond to their wacky beliefs.
    Are there really a bunch of Qanon people running for office?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    People are turning away from these parties and seeking something other than them.
    Is this your way of saying the GOP is going wacko (even more wacko)?
    "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamar2006 View Post
    QAnon is gonna make the freedom caucus look like a bunch of AOC's. Will be interesting how many QAnons make it to congress, if any, and how republicans respond to their wacky beliefs.
    One already made it in NC I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    People are turning away from these parties and seeking something other than them.
    The candidate that Trump endorsed was viewed as insufficiently loyal to Trump. It's amazing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Is this your way of saying the GOP is going wacko (even more wacko)?
    People were attracted to Democrat-socialists to the point he was a front-runner. Would Trump or Bernie be considered a serious candidate for the presidency 15 years ago? The rise of the progressives. Both camps are looking for another alternative to establishment politicians. The Republican voters are going to a bigger extreme, but I am sure they think the same thing about Democrats when they look at Bernie and AOC.

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    Interesting poll that came out out of Montana in which Bullock(D) is leading Daines(R) 47-43. The rest of the poll is typical Montana as Trump has a 52-38 lead over Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    People are turning away from these parties and seeking something other than them.
    Yeah, my disdain for Democrats just increases as the days go on. Seriously, every single day they prove how worthless they are.

    Whatever. You've all heard this spiel a million times. I was about to do the usual. *****ing about how they just wasted all their time on Russiagate instead of doing any real resistance or promotion of inspiring policy. Spending 10s of millions of dollars in KY to stop a progressive candidate who was more popular than Bloodbath McGrath. Doing everything possible to stop Sanders...circling the wagon behind a sun-downing man who has been wrong about so much that is most important right now. Like every day they do something that just infuriates me.

    Yesterday it was congress making it harder for Trump to pull out of Afghanistan and the news that hundreds of former George W Bush officials had created a PAC to support Biden. Great! "**** off, leftists...but hey, George Bush and Karl Rove? We love you guys!!!"

    We have a center/center-right corporate party and a far-right blood and soil party. That's the two party system we live in. So much of this country has no real representation, especially the countless millions of progressives, mostly comprising of the youth and future of this country -- who are the ones dealing with the reality these two parties have created). And who have to deal with the problems of the future that neither are seriously attempting to prepare for.


    Trump will probably lose but unless Democrats get their **** together, they'll eventually face a person with all of Trump's "political beliefs", but who has all his chromosomes and isn't solely motivated by his narcissism. A competent Trump. Democrats aren't prepared to handle that.
    HELLO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Yeah, my disdain for Democrats just increases as the days go on. Seriously, every single day they prove how worthless they are.

    Whatever. You've all heard this spiel a million times. I was about to do the usual. *****ing about how they just wasted all their time on Russiagate instead of doing any real resistance or promotion of inspiring policy. Spending 10s of millions of dollars in KY to stop a progressive candidate who was more popular than Bloodbath McGrath. Doing everything possible to stop Sanders...circling the wagon behind a sun-downing man who has been wrong about so much that is most important right now. Like every day they do something that just infuriates me.

    Yesterday it was congress making it harder for Trump to pull out of Afghanistan and the news that hundreds of former George W Bush officials had created a PAC to support Biden. Great! "**** off, leftists...but hey, George Bush and Karl Rove? We love you guys!!!"

    We have a center/center-right corporate party and a far-right blood and soil party. That's the two party system we live in. So much of this country has no real representation, especially the countless millions of progressives, mostly comprising of the youth and future of this country -- who are the ones dealing with the reality these two parties have created). And who have to deal with the problems of the future that neither are seriously attempting to prepare for.


    Trump will probably lose but unless Democrats get their **** together, they'll eventually face a person with all of Trump's "political beliefs", but who has all his chromosomes and isn't solely motivated by his narcissism. A competent Trump. Democrats aren't prepared to handle that.
    The ranting aside (by the way, I tend to agree with much of it), the current political spectrum is simply a function of the way the system is designed.

    The US Constitution does not allow for more than two viable party options at any given time ó the center almost always being one of them. This was generally true, for example, from FDR through the Carter Administration, when conservatives were the odd man out, so to speak.

    Since Reagan, it has by and large been the progressives who have been the odd man out.

    Meanwhile the center shifts accordingly, to the point where a milktoast pro like Biden is acceptable to center-leaning conservatives, centrists, and liberals alike. The so-called populist right are pretty solid for Trump. The progressive Sanders, once again, ends up being the odd man out.

    The issue in this election for Trump is not whether the progressives will show up and vote for Biden (some will, some wonít), or whther the 45% who never vote, will vote (most wonít) ó but whether the center-leaning conservatives will deciide that Trumpís actions as president (largely catering to mainline conservative interests) override his pathetic and disgusting character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    The issue in this election for Trump is not whether the progressives will show up and vote for Biden (some will, some wonít), or whther the 45% who never vote, will vote (most wonít) ó but whether the center-leaning conservatives will deciide that Trumpís actions as president (largely catering to mainline conservative interests) override his pathetic and disgusting character.
    Good post. Nice analysis.

    Instinctively I didn't think it was right to simplify things this much. I guess deep down I just wish it wasn't the case, but I accept it's probably the reality. At this point it's clear Biden would prefer to win by winning over the moderate conservatives from the rump of the old GOP than the Sanders wing. He occasionally gives the left some lip service but that's all it feels like tweeting "Health care is a right for all ó not a privilege for the few" yet not, you know, supporting single payer/mfa. I think it's probably their game plan. I'd imagine they're thrilled about 43 Alumni for Joe Biden and think it's the winning formula.

    And it probably is.

    Which is what bothers me.
    HELLO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Good post. Nice analysis.

    Instinctively I didn't think it was right to simplify things this much. I guess deep down I just wish it wasn't the case, but I accept it's probably the reality. At this point it's clear Biden would prefer to win by winning over the moderate conservatives from the rump of the old GOP than the Sanders wing. He occasionally gives the left some lip service but that's all it feels like tweeting "Health care is a right for all ó not a privilege for the few" yet not, you know, supporting single payer/mfa. I think it's probably their game plan. I'd imagine they're thrilled about 43 Alumni for Joe Biden and think it's the winning formula.

    And it probably is.

    Which is what bothers me.
    If the dems won all three branches I am sure that they will pass something better than Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    If the dems won all three branches I am sure that they will pass something better than Obamacare.
    you forgot to use your sarcasm font
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Yeah, my disdain for Democrats just increases as the days go on. Seriously, every single day they prove how worthless they are.

    Whatever. You've all heard this spiel a million times. I was about to do the usual. *****ing about how they just wasted all their time on Russiagate instead of doing any real resistance or promotion of inspiring policy. Spending 10s of millions of dollars in KY to stop a progressive candidate who was more popular than Bloodbath McGrath. Doing everything possible to stop Sanders...circling the wagon behind a sun-downing man who has been wrong about so much that is most important right now. Like every day they do something that just infuriates me.

    Yesterday it was congress making it harder for Trump to pull out of Afghanistan and the news that hundreds of former George W Bush officials had created a PAC to support Biden. Great! "**** off, leftists...but hey, George Bush and Karl Rove? We love you guys!!!"

    We have a center/center-right corporate party and a far-right blood and soil party. That's the two party system we live in. So much of this country has no real representation, especially the countless millions of progressives, mostly comprising of the youth and future of this country -- who are the ones dealing with the reality these two parties have created). And who have to deal with the problems of the future that neither are seriously attempting to prepare for.


    Trump will probably lose but unless Democrats get their **** together, they'll eventually face a person with all of Trump's "political beliefs", but who has all his chromosomes and isn't solely motivated by his narcissism. A competent Trump. Democrats aren't prepared to handle that.
    Only reason McGrath had so much money was because she entered the race early against McConnell who Dems despise. Doubt national Dems spent anything on that race. I donít disagree with much else.
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    I don't think if the Democrat win supermajority on the hill, that all the moderate will turn into progressive. Plus, I keep repeat this, Biden, early on, told his donors, which included insurance moguls, that nothing will change. When these guys promise something to their donors, they don't break those promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    Only reason McGrath had so much money was because she entered the race early against McConnell who Dems despise. Doubt national Dems spent anything on that race. I donít disagree with much else.
    Why should the national Dems spend anything when their owners were footing the bill? And like Mitch, most of her money came from outside sources. We really need to get big money out of politics.
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