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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Meh. I disagree. His career high pressure rate is 15%, his lingers at about 9-10%. Average is 12%. Average sack rate from the edge (sacks divided by pass rush snaps) is about 1.8% on average, Clowney is at 0.85% on his career. There is a stat out there that does make him look good, and that's ESPN's pass rush win rate, which measures how many wins a player gets in 2.5 seconds. With that Clowney got 24% last year (It's a new stat so we only have a 1 year sample), which should make some of his raw stats (pressure, QB hits, sacks [30/16/3 respectively]) look even worse in context IMO because he's able to win but not do anything with it (then again those stats also include run plays, not just pass rush plays).

    Basically all and all he's a fairly average pass rusher with upside, but elite run defender for the edge. If he was willing to be in more of a Michael Bennett role (edge on run downs, interior on pass downs) he could take that step, but most reports say he's resistant to the idea.
    Source for pressure stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QB_Eagles View Post
    Source for pressure stats?
    PFF Edge membership

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
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    Would you say that it gives you the edge in how you view players

    Your baby can't do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydubb View Post
    Would you say that it gives you the edge in how you view players
    For sure. I always go to warfelg for my advanced statistics.
    The Baker has come. Believe the hype.


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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
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    They published these pass rush grades for Clowney: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-buyer-b...t-edge-rushers

    2019 - 76.7 (21st of 120)
    2018 - 78.8 (13th of 112)
    2017 - 74.7 (29th of 121)
    2016 - 71.3 (30th of 121)

    I'd say that qualifies as "good".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydubb View Post
    Would you say that it gives you the edge in how you view players
    No. But itís interesting for stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydubb View Post
    Would you say that it gives you the edge in how you view players

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    Get his *** to Baltimore

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    Reports are that the Seahawks offer was for 1 year worth $15 million and that the Browns offered $18 million. He still hasn't signed.....

    Man, I envy the position these athletes are in. It's totally in their right to ask for as much as they think they are valued at but man, $18 million for 1 year?! I'm taking that even if it's with the Browns organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigers.6 View Post
    Reports are that the Seahawks offer was for 1 year worth $15 million and that the Browns offered $18 million. He still hasn't signed.....

    Man, I envy the position these athletes are in. It's totally in their right to ask for as much as they think they are valued at but man, $18 million for 1 year?! I'm taking that even if it's with the Browns organization.
    I'm sure if Clowney wasn't already rich he would too. Hes probably made at least 35M in his career, so he doesnt likely view a 1 year 15/18M deal as a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unleashthebeast View Post
    Get his *** to Baltimore
    Yall grow linebackers on trees, you don't need one of the more overrated players in recent memory playing for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    Yall grow linebackers on trees, you don't need one of the more overrated players in recent memory playing for you.
    The 20th ranked run defense doesn't need arguably the best run stopping edge defender? He's also an above average pass rusher to boot. He'd be a huge addition to an already very good defense.

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