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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    It sure does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    You’re acting like black people get gunned down by police unjustified on an every day basis which isn’t true. Black people also encounter police more than any other race (statistics prove this)


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    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

    Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups. Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men.
    Those are significantly higher numbers than those of white men. You seriously don't have a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793



    Those are significantly higher numbers than those of white men. You seriously don't have a clue.
    You clearly don’t have a clue when you have a group that’s going to be encountered more by police (because they commit more of the violent crimes so therefore you’re going to encounter them more) you’re going to statistically have more killings


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    You clearly don’t have a clue when you have a group that’s going to be encountered more by police (because they commit more of the violent crimes so therefore you’re going to encounter them more) you’re going to statistically have more killings


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    Yeah except for the fact as Valade said they are statistically more likely to have encounters with cops even if all other factors are equal. What do you think is the reason for that? Could it have to do with predispositions and stereotypes about race? Why do you think programs like stop and frisk have been eradicated? I know that's hard for your feeble brain to pick up on though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Yeah except for the fact as Valade said they are statistically more likely to have encounters with cops even if all other factors are equal. What do you think is the reason for that? Could it have to do with predispositions and stereotypes about race? Why do you think programs like stop and frisk have been eradicated? I know that's hard for your feeble brain to pick up on though.
    White people are more likely to use drugs and have them on them, yet black people are overwhelmingly more likely to be stopped for drug suspicion and drug-related crimes. Wonder why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    That's not what BLM is about. Its the same reason why people criticize "All Lives Matter" because it diminishes the racist motives in which many black people are killed. Its basically ignoring the fact that there is a distinct problem that exists between cops and black people that isn't shared to the same extent of other races and therefore puts black people in more danger of losing their life at a disproportionate rate.
    If you look at the statistics, more white people are killed by cops than blacks.
    The confrontation the movement came from, Michael Brown v. Ferguson Missouri PD, showed the faults of the movement. Michael Brown was harassing people all evening of his fatal confrontation. He was, 1:1 with an officer that was by far and away smaller and less physically impressive than he was. As I recall the incident, it started out pretty peacefully. The officer asked him to stop and answer some questions, without calling for backup. Michael Brown was not armed, and the officer had not drawn his revolver. Michael got physical with the officer and attempted to take the officer's side-arm out of it's holster. The officer was able to disengage and warned him to get on the ground. He did not comply and charged the officer. It was only at this time that the officer shot him.
    Do I have the incident correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    If you look at the statistics, more white people are killed by cops than blacks.
    The confrontation the movement came from, Michael Brown v. Ferguson Missouri PD, showed the faults of the movement. Michael Brown was harassing people all evening of his fatal confrontation. He was, 1:1 with an officer that was by far and away smaller and less physically impressive than he was. As I recall the incident, it started out pretty peacefully. The officer asked him to stop and answer some questions, without calling for backup. Michael Brown was not armed, and the officer had not drawn his revolver. Michael got physical with the officer and attempted to take the officer's side-arm out of it's holster. The officer was able to disengage and warned him to get on the ground. He did not comply and charged the officer. It was only at this time that the officer shot him.
    Do I have the incident correct?
    You appear to be conflating relative versus absolute statistics. In absolute number, there are more people killed by cops. But when you look at the statistics in a relative sense (meaning that you normalize the numbers for the difference in population), you will see that more black people per capita are killed by cops.

    Without normalizing statistics, they are meaningless.
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    the delays of the courts needs to end at some point.
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    And if people got **** counsel, well they had to die so the court could move faster…but tell me again how pro-life you are!
    I was told there would be pro-life! Not pro-death!
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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    If you look at the statistics, more white people are killed by cops than blacks.
    The confrontation the movement came from, Michael Brown v. Ferguson Missouri PD, showed the faults of the movement. Michael Brown was harassing people all evening of his fatal confrontation. He was, 1:1 with an officer that was by far and away smaller and less physically impressive than he was. As I recall the incident, it started out pretty peacefully. The officer asked him to stop and answer some questions, without calling for backup. Michael Brown was not armed, and the officer had not drawn his revolver. Michael got physical with the officer and attempted to take the officer's side-arm out of it's holster. The officer was able to disengage and warned him to get on the ground. He did not comply and charged the officer. It was only at this time that the officer shot him.
    Do I have the incident correct?
    The first part ignores the fact that white people are overwhelmingly more of the population than blacks. The ratio of blacks killed by police is disproportionate.

    Second, you talk about the cop being "smaller and less physically impressive," but neglect to mention that he was in a vehicle.

    Third, Wilson called for backup before he even spoke to them.


    Also the grand jury process was an absolute farce, and is a large part of the reason McCulloch is a former prosecutor now.


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    This is a proper response by the public to a political problem. If there is enough public pressure on a DA's office, things will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    You appear to be conflating relative versus absolute statistics. In absolute number, there are more people killed by cops. But when you look at the statistics in a relative sense (meaning that you normalize the numbers for the difference in population), you will see that more black people per capita are killed by cops.

    Without normalizing statistics, they are meaningless.
    And if you look at statistics, blacks commit more crimes, per capita than any other race does.
    I am not, in any way, saying that there are not atrocities committed against blacks by police officers, but I have heard from some that cops are out "hunting" blacks, which is not a true statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    And if you look at statistics, blacks commit more crimes, per capita than any other race does.
    I am not, in any way, saying that there are not atrocities committed against blacks by police officers, but I have heard from some that cops are out "hunting" blacks, which is not a true statement.
    Yeah, totally not true.

    Wonder where they'd get a crazy idea like that from.

    Probably just made it up out of thin air, I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    And if you look at statistics, blacks commit more crimes, per capita than any other race does.
    I am not, in any way, saying that there are not atrocities committed against blacks by police officers, but I have heard from some that cops are out "hunting" blacks, which is not a true statement.
    https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/rac...d-over-5-years

    In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).

    “Those killed by police on average are young people — the average age for all victims is 34,” Boatright said. “For Black people, the average age is 30.” For Hispanics killed, the average age is 33; for Native Americans, 31; and for white people, 38.
    If you don't think that number is problematic, I don't know what to tell you. The higher number of encounters with cops and subsequent violence also comes from the significant amount of racial profiling that is done. Why are white armed perpetrators seeing a decrease in being killed by cops btw while there have been no changes and in some cases, increases with those deaths among minorities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    And if you look at statistics, blacks commit more crimes, per capita than any other race does.
    I am not, in any way, saying that there are not atrocities committed against blacks by police officers, but I have heard from some that cops are out "hunting" blacks, which is not a true statement.
    Oh, now you want to use per capita stats!

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    All anyone needs to look at is the Stop & Frisk program in NYC to know that black and Hispanic men were the main targets and in only a fraction of cases was anything illegal found. It didn't change the fact that an overwhelming majority of people who were thought to be suspicious were that of darker skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    All anyone needs to look at is the Stop & Frisk program in NYC to know that black and Hispanic men were the main targets and in only a fraction of cases was anything illegal found. It didn't change the fact that an overwhelming majority of people who were thought to be suspicion were that of darker skin.
    Police here in STL beat a black cop that was undercover during one of the protests here, not realizing he was one of their own undercover. I'm sure that was totally a one time incident and no one else innocent ended up in that position though.


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