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  1. #8191
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    In many states a cop unholstering their weapon at that point will be charged with assault because that is skipping to the top of the force/threat response pyramid and is, by law, unreasonable force in many states.
    Any proof of this or this just another pulled out of your *** statement that you will now claim you don't have enough time to find a citation for?

    I'm going to guess the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    If you think he didn't comply with the officer's orders when there's video of him putting his hands up after being told to by the cop then you're deranged.
    You know in the same video he's told this and he turns and runs away right? Did you watch an edited down version of the video or are you purposely being dishonest here?

    And again. For the 50th time. When a cop tells you to freeze and show your hands. You don't turn around.

    It's like I live in an alternate reality.

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    I highly doubt that there are many cops if any that receive assault charges for this. Probably a civil suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Was gonna say something similar. If they have to treat every person as if they’ve committed murder than the shot is so ****ed the only option is to tear it down and start something new and different.
    Like... ya'll are dumb lol.

    I'm sorry. But no one here is saying cops should treat every suspect as if they committed murder.

    These people were shooting at cars. They weren't innocent civilians minding their own business.

    I'm for a massive police reform. But holy hell.

    You guys seem to think this was a casual stop or something. Like this was someone who ran a stop sign and the cop came in ultra aggressive.

    Just stop talking about this subject because you are actually damaging the case for reform every time you share your very naive opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    You keep saying this, but for some odd reason it feels...well, false to me.
    I'm not gonna lie, the biggest phonies here are the liberals that are clearly trying to reggirgitate opinions they've heard but clearly don't understand.

    Hence why you got people compare this to a traffic stop gone wrong, where a cop is way too aggressive from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    In many states a cop unholstering their weapon at that point will be charged with assault because that is skipping to the top of the force/threat response pyramid and is, by law, unreasonable force in many states.
    The majority of the deaths from cops are from traffic stops. When they come up to the window they don’t know who’s behind the wheel or what act those people just committed before.

    I remember a good friend of mine who was a cop who was 21 was shot and killed. He attempted to pull over a car who happened to be involved in a car jacking and murder 60 miles north. The cop tried to stop them the guy pulled over and started firing at the cop and ended up killing him. The guy was also killed about the same time but a traffic stop turned deadly just like that.


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    This is why they kneel

    Cases like we’ve seen here in Chicago and Minnesota are very rare also

    Snyder’s killing, as documented in interviews and police reports, is among the 800 fatal shootings by police so far this year. As the tally continues to grow, so does public debate and criticism over police use of deadly force.

    But only a small number of the shootings — roughly 5 percent — occurred under the kind of circumstances that raise doubt and draw public outcry, according to an analysis by The Washington Post. The vast majority of individuals shot and killed by police officers were, like Snyder, armed with guns and killed after attacking police officers or civilians or making other direct threats.

    You just hear about them because of the media. You don’t hear about the other times that cops potentially saved a bunch of lives or any of the good that they do

    Snyder’s killing, as documented in interviews and police reports, is among the 800 fatal shootings by police so far this year. As the tally continues to grow, so does public debate and criticism over police use of deadly force.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/in...ty-under-fire/

    So we should pretty much take guns away during traffic stops? Makes no sense


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    Cases like we’ve seen here in Chicago and Minnesota are very rare also

    Snyder’s killing, as documented in interviews and police reports, is among the 800 fatal shootings by police so far this year. As the tally continues to grow, so does public debate and criticism over police use of deadly force.

    But only a small number of the shootings — roughly 5 percent — occurred under the kind of circumstances that raise doubt and draw public outcry, according to an analysis by The Washington Post. The vast majority of individuals shot and killed by police officers were, like Snyder, armed with guns and killed after attacking police officers or civilians or making other direct threats.

    You just hear about them because of the media. You don’t hear about the other times that cops potentially saved a bunch of lives or any of the good that they do

    Snyder’s killing, as documented in interviews and police reports, is among the 800 fatal shootings by police so far this year. As the tally continues to grow, so does public debate and criticism over police use of deadly force.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/in...ty-under-fire/

    So we should pretty much take guns away during traffic stops? Makes no sense


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    We should definitely have less traffic stops though.

    But I completely agree. As I said earlier in the thread if this kid turned around and shot this cop and killed him no one here would care.

    If you've seen 100 videos that show examples of police brutality but 0 in regards to cops experiencing brutality. You aren't going to have a realistic viewpont.

    I'm 100% behind police reform. I'm 100% behind police accountability when they make agregious errors or straight up commit crimes while on duty. I want guys who consistently escalate situations fired. I want guys who use unnecessary force in prison.

    But I'm not for this BS where we pretend every time someone gets shot by a cop, the cop is at fault for it getting to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Here’s a great read for anyone interested.

    https://time.com/5854986/police-refo...-unarmed-guns/

    Basically boils down to police in the US use fear to try to police. Other countries use respect.
    Cool. A bunch of countries with low populations and/or strict gun laws. That's relevant to our situation.

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    If someone finds the video they should post it. But I just watched Pat Robertson bash the police.

    Either that or I'm having an acid flashback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    If someone finds the video they should post it. But I just watched Pat Robertson bash the police.

    Either that or I'm having an acid flashback.
    Nah, I came across that somewhere recently. Either here or Twitter, I believe.

    Here we go: https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/statu...448056836?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSpock View Post
    We should definitely have less traffic stops though.

    But I completely agree. As I said earlier in the thread if this kid turned around and shot this cop and killed him no one here would care.

    If you've seen 100 videos that show examples of police brutality but 0 in regards to cops experiencing brutality. You aren't going to have a realistic viewpont.

    I'm 100% behind police reform. I'm 100% behind police accountability when they make agregious errors or straight up commit crimes while on duty. I want guys who consistently escalate situations fired. I want guys who use unnecessary force in prison.

    But I'm not for this BS where we pretend every time someone gets shot by a cop, the cop is at fault for it getting to that point.
    ~50 cops die a year to gunfire and they kill ~1000. So there's just more instances of it to be caught on camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekial View Post
    ~50 cops die a year to gunfire and they kill ~1000. So there's just more instances of it to be caught on camera.
    And out of those 1,000 killed probably 95% of those are justified


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    And out of those 1,000 killed probably 95% of those are justified


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    You can't know that with any certainty. That's why body cams became mandatory in so many departments to begin with. There have been questions about how cops have handled suspects for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekial View Post
    ~50 cops die a year to gunfire and they kill ~1000. So there's just more instances of it to be caught on camera.
    Sure but... come on man. It's also because it doesn't get national news coverage.


    The point is that it's easy to look at a situation like this after the fact and pretend like the cop is way out of bounds.

    The right wing tries to paint cops as these heroes that risk life and limb everyday which is stupid.

    But there are days they do. And it'll happen in a split second.

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