This is why they kneel

[WES445]

And because you know... taking this guy's pension would ****ing stupid.

the military does it and as well as the police departments when they judge their members for violating their creed. So, it isn't unheard of, outside yourself.

[WES445]

Taking out of officers' pension or budget would be better than taking millions of dollars out of the city coffer because of their mistake. I am not going to pay for others' mistakes whether it is cops or doctors or firemen or anyone. No one paid for my mistakes but me, so I am funny about personal responsibility.

[MRSpock]

Taking out of officers' pension or budget would be better than taking millions of dollars out of the city coffer because of their mistake. I am not going to pay for others' mistakes whether it is cops or doctors or firemen or anyone. No one paid for my mistakes but me, so I am funny about personal responsibility.

That's great. One problem.. cop didn't do anything wrong.

[MRSpock]

I know I know. You would have waited to open fire. Point 8 seconds is nothing for "Wild Card Wes".

You would of shot the gun out of his hand and given all those gang members a talking to!

#KeyboardCop

[dbroncos78087]

Lol... Jesus. You're gonna take this guy's pension? In this situation?

You end up in anarchy with no cops.

Weird, I'm told personal accountability and responsibility are supposed to be traits that define our country. Why do these settlements for police bad activity have to punish the town or city as a whole? The responsibility should fall with the guilty party.

[Walter_White]

Why tell someone to put their hands up if you’re just going to shoot them anyway?

[WES445]

That's great. One problem.. cop didn't do anything wrong.

We have already established we don't agree on this subject.

[dbroncos78087]

Why tell someone to put their hands up if you’re just going to shoot them anyway?

Domination is a fantasy that many people have. There is probably a correlation between people who want to dominate others and those that pursue a career in law enforcement.

[MRSpock]

Weird, I'm told personal accountability and responsibility are supposed to be traits that define our country. Why do these settlements for police bad activity have to punish the town or city as a whole? The responsibility should fall with the guilty party.

The guilty party is the 13 year old gang member who decided to shoot at random cars. Get the cops called and then run when a cop car pulled up and a cop told him to stop running and put his hands up. Then on a split second turn sharply while throwing a loaded gun behind the fence he was standing next to.

Again. I'm not championing the death of a 13 year old. I wish he had a chance to reform himself.

But I'm not going to pretend this cop is at fault. And anyone saying otherwise needs to wake the **** up. It's so easy to be so big bad and brave when your snuggled up to your teddy at 230am. Not chasing an armed gang member through Latin King territory.

[WES445]

A little cynical. I blame the culture they enter into that has existed a long time. I believe most go in the police force or believe in serving their community or seen too many glorified cop shows.

Don't demonize them. It is too easy to do and only alienate those we must work with to solve this problem. I see this more as their leadership is the problem. Union chief, police force leaders, and a political system that cover for them while militarizing them. The enablers are just as much if not more the problem than the average cop patrolling the street.

[Scoots]

No, he shouldn't, but I don't blame the cop one bit either. The parents are more responsible for his death. He was out at 2:30 in the morning with a gang banger. He fired shots, he fled when the cop told him to stop while holding a gun. The cop couldn't see him toss it behind the fence and then he turned toward him. Most cops, hell most people would have done the exact same thing.

I think I'm a good parent and that my parents were good parents ... that didn't mean I didn't get into some really dangerous and stupid situations in my youth, or that my kids are somehow immune to it.

[Scoots]

Taking out of officers' pension or budget would be better than taking millions of dollars out of the city coffer because of their mistake. I am not going to pay for others' mistakes whether it is cops or doctors or firemen or anyone. No one paid for my mistakes but me, so I am funny about personal responsibility.

I understand the sentiment but the reality is you have no choice but to pay for others mistakes. Your money is taken by force to pay for others mistakes all the time.

[MRSpock]

Why tell someone to put their hands up if you’re just going to shoot them anyway?

Did he say turn around?

[Scoots]

Why tell someone to put their hands up if you’re just going to shoot them anyway?

I may be missing something, but are you saying the plan before saying hands up was to shoot?

[Scoots]

Domination is a fantasy that many people have. There is probably a correlation between people who want to dominate others and those that pursue a career in law enforcement.

I think it comes more as a result of the culture of police rather than something they bring in with them. Training focuses a LOT on controlling the citizens and the situation. Not that there are not psychos who join the police to feed their kink.