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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I see. So basically no matter what the police did, they were just trying to stop Blake? So if one of them got an axe and tried chopping his neck off, this would be him just trying to stop Blake, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    this about a story about Jacob Blake and who he is because of this shooting, where a warrant is relevant to the shooting because the police knew that and why they were there.

    if media was covering this accurately, that would be an important part of the story, for Jacob Blake who should not have even been there.
    Literally has nothing to do with being shot in the back 7 times
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Therein lies part of the problem.....some jobs we as a society simply don't place a high value on, so they're traditionally not paid well. Therefore companies who employ people to do those jobs often can't find enough quality help to fill those positions. That's where a self-employed person may come in since they can charge what a company would charge but earn a better wage (since a company is charging considerably more than what an employee's wage would be)

    The problem is....we NEED people doing those jobs...and when it comes to elder care, now more than ever since we live longer and the boomers are soon all retired.
    I think it shows that this particular job should be part of your universal health care system. Do want a jaded stressed out person taking care of our elders? I don’t. The fact people seem accepting of this is wild

    Minimum wage is not really a big deal to me. Should it go up? Sure. Wages should go up across the board but maybe some jobs should be for extra cash, kids starting out etc. The middle class has been getting squeezed for 40 years. The amount we pay many of our career people is a bigger issue to me. We are moving towards nothing but haves and have nots


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    While you may be wise enough to realize $15 is too high, most of the people pushing for a raise in the minimum wage are not. You see many people protesting who are pushing for $15 an hr or another phrase being used is “livable wage.”

    I think we need to determine what constitutes a “livable wage.” Does that include a cellphone plan? Data? Internet? Cable TV? Why use such a subjective term to define an objective measure. Wages are set by the job market. It seems like a back door to justify socialism. Let the government take care of you if your employer can’t. Also, you can’t determine minimum wage because you believe the wealthy are greedy. It affects all businesses. That’s reality. You can’t pick and choose which businesses should pay more or not, as much as we may want to.
    The **** we can't. You can absolutely write laws that determine tax brackets on income for businesses. We do it for people, why couldn't we do it for businesses?

    If I said I want to raise the taxes on mega corporations and the 1% so I can lower the taxes on small businesses and make the laws so that it's easier for them to compete, would you be against it? Because it seems many people use small businesses as a shield to protect corporations.

    As for the minimum wage, it's seems pretty callous to oppose any minimum wage increase because of your fear it will descend into full blown socialism. I guess screw all those people who would be getting higher wages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I see. So basically no matter what the police did, they were just trying to stop Blake? So if one of them got an axe and tried chopping his neck off, this would be him just trying to stop Blake, correct?

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    I didn't say that. I've already said there should have been a better way to end it. but there is a difference in what they did compared to that they wanted to kill Blake. if that was their intent then they could have shot him when there was a scuffle on the other side of the car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino17 View Post
    Literally has nothing to do with being shot in the back 7 times
    saying the same thing doesn't make it any more true, but keep going.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    The **** we can't. You can absolutely write laws that determine tax brackets on income for businesses. We do it for people, why couldn't we do it for businesses?

    If I said I want to raise the taxes on mega corporations and the 1% so I can lower the taxes on small businesses and make the laws so that it's easier for them to compete, would you be against it? Because it seems many people use small businesses as a shield to protect corporations.

    As for the minimum wage, it's seems pretty callous to oppose any minimum wage increase because of your fear it will descend into full blown socialism. I guess screw all those people who would be getting higher wages?
    taxes is one thing, but you can't mandate big companies have higher wages than small businesses...or it's the same thing- who's going to work for a small business if the wage scale is actually federally mandated at a higher level for the big companies? Meaning, again, it's negatively impacting the little guy

    The federal minimum should definitely go up but yes, jumping to $15 is ridiculous. The current national average of individual STATE minimums is around 9.25 and while that average would go up if the federal minimum goes up, that would seem a doable minimum to set. Now, that said, there's reason for there to be a difference in the minimum between workers 18+ and those not yet 18....which not everyone would agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    taxes is one thing, but you can't mandate big companies have higher wages than small businesses...or it's the same thing- who's going to work for a small business if the wage scale is actually federally mandated at a lower level? Meaning, again, it's negatively impacting the little guy

    The federal minimum should definitely go up but yes, jumping to $15 is ridiculous. The current national average of individual STATE minimums is around 9.25 and while that average would go up if the federal minimum goes up, that would seem a doable minimum to set. Now, that said, there's reason for there to be a difference in the minimum between workers 18+ and those not yet 18....which not everyone would agree with.
    Once again, I am NOT talking about $15, so why you, and Joey, and Sluggo, keep bringing that up is beyond me.

    And I simply disagree with the logic that raising the pay of lower end workers actually hurts them. That again sounds like the logic of people who simply don't want to pay them.

    But it seems we agree, the minimum wage should absolutely be raised, the reason and the reason it hasn't been is because large corporations have waged an all out war on raising these wages because they'd make less money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Once again, I am NOT talking about $15, so why you, and Joey, and Sluggo, keep bringing that up is beyond me.

    And I simply disagree with the logic that raising the pay of lower end workers actually hurts them. That again sounds like the logic of people who simply don't want to pay them.

    But it seems we agree, the minimum wage should absolutely be raised, the reason and the reason it hasn't been is because large corporations have waged an all out war on raising these wages because they'd make less money.
    I AGREED with you about $15 being ridiculous...I didn't 'keep bringing it up'

    And I didn't say raising the minimum would specifically hurt businesses, the words I used were having a negative impact...not necessarily the same thing. Raising it to, say, $8.25 for <18 and $9.25 for 18> would be entirely inline with logical change (tho that's $2 increase when I think the last one was 75 cents...but the time frame has been longer between changes).

    All I was saying is that these increases wouldn't come without impact. People forget, for example, that if I pay an employee $10/hr MY cost to pay them that is closer to what $13/hr by the time I match taxes, pay workman's comp, UI insurance, etc. And, if the minimum is raised, there's likely an impact on other employees, moving their wage up at least some if not similarly. Meaning my cost as an employer if the minimum wage goes up goes up for ALL my employees.

    With that happening, I can guarantee you there are employers that would look to reduce the number of employees they can get by with.....whether large business or small....and others might have to raise the price of their product or service to pay the higher wages....which, for some small businesses, might squeeze an already bloodless turnip even more. Believe me, my hesitation has nothing to do with allowing BIG businesses the luxury of simply appeasing their stockholders at the worker's expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    I AGREED with you about $15 being ridiculous...I didn't 'keep bringing it up'

    And I didn't say raising the minimum would specifically hurt businesses, the words I used were having a negative impact...not necessarily the same thing. Raising it to, say, $8.25 for <18 and $9.25 for 18> would be entirely inline with logical change (tho that's $2 increase when I think the last one was 75 cents...but the time frame has been longer between changes).

    All I was saying is that these increases wouldn't come without impact. People forget, for example, that if I pay an employee $10/hr MY cost to pay them that is closer to what $13/hr by the time I match taxes, pay workman's comp, UI insurance, etc. And, if the minimum is raised, there's likely an impact on other employees, moving their wage up at least some if not similarly. Meaning my cost as an employer if the minimum wage goes up goes up for ALL my employees.

    With that happening, I can guarantee you there are employers that would look to reduce the number of employees they can get by with.....whether large business or small....and others might have to raise the price of their product or service to pay the higher wages....which, for some small businesses, might squeeze an already bloodless turnip even more. Believe me, my hesitation has nothing to do with allowing BIG businesses the luxury of simply appeasing their stockholders at the worker's expense.
    Sure, there is a trade-off, but there's also a solution.

    At the same time you raise the minimum wage (let's say to $9.75 or $2 more) you lower taxes on small businesses. You recoup that money by raising taxes on large corporations.

    Businesses then get to make as much money as they did before via the low taxes offsetting the higher wages, and the US Government still gets all their tax revenue. The only party that "loses" are large corporations, which have billions and billions of dollars and could afford it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Sure, there is a trade-off, but there's also a solution.

    At the same time you raise the minimum wage (let's say to $9.75 or $2 more) you lower taxes on small businesses. You recoup that money by raising taxes on large corporations.

    Businesses then get to make as much money as they did before via the low taxes offsetting the higher wages, and the US Government still gets all their tax revenue. The only party that "loses" are large corporations, which have billions and billions of dollars and could afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    saying the same thing doesn't make it any more true, but keep going.
    It's really that simple. Everything else you mention is totally irrelevant.

    The relevant point is that a man was shot in the back 7 times. That is unquestionably wrong and illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Sure, there is a trade-off, but there's also a solution.

    At the same time you raise the minimum wage (let's say to $9.75 or $2 more) you lower taxes on small businesses. You recoup that money by raising taxes on large corporations.

    Businesses then get to make as much money as they did before via the low taxes offsetting the higher wages, and the US Government still gets all their tax revenue. The only party that "loses" are large corporations, which have billions and billions of dollars and could afford it.
    How are you raising taxes on large corps and lowering them on small ones? If you do, you're also raising taxes on the wealthy and lowering them for middle/lower class individuals...which, while right, isn't exactly something they've been willing to accept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
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