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  1. #5821
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Youíre looking at this by considering all business owners as if they were in the top 1% and thatís not the case. Many business owners, especially small businesses, are in the middle class, not much better off than anyone else.

    My friend owns a home healthcare company, taking care of elderly people. He trains his employees meaning they can start at his company with little or no experience. He prides himself on taking care of his employees and Iíve seen first hand that he does. Currently, he pays his employees between $10-13 an hr which is better than most home health aides. With his pricing, after taxes and administrative costs he takes home about $2-3 per hr per client. If the federal minimum wage increased to $15, he would than be paying $15-18 an hr to employees. He would then net negative $2-3 per client. He would most likely need to put the $5 an hr increase in his clients who are elderly people. This is the same in most small businesses. Itís not about taking money from the wealthy. Itís about preserving small businesses.
    Valade is what I call a 10 percenter. He takes 10% and applies it to 100% of everything. I'll give him kudos for being a drama queen though. He's definitely good at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Youíre looking at this by considering all business owners as if they were in the top 1% and thatís not the case. Many business owners, especially small businesses, are in the middle class, not much better off than anyone else.

    My friend owns a home healthcare company, taking care of elderly people. He trains his employees meaning they can start at his company with little or no experience. He prides himself on taking care of his employees and Iíve seen first hand that he does. Currently, he pays his employees between $10-13 an hr which is better than most home health aides. With his pricing, after taxes and administrative costs he takes home about $2-3 per hr per client. If the federal minimum wage increased to $15, he would than be paying $15-18 an hr to employees. He would then net negative $2-3 per client. He would most likely need to put the $5 an hr increase in his clients who are elderly people. This is the same in most small businesses. Itís not about taking money from the wealthy. Itís about preserving small businesses.
    No, I'm not because I'm not talking about all business owners. I'm talking about the 1%, the corporations.

    You think the idea of trickle down economics is about small business owners in the middle class? No, it's about advocating for the 1% and the wealthiest to save money.

    Also, why do you keep defaulting to $15 when I've specifically said that's too high? It's like you and your ilk keep using $15 to justify not going to $8.25. We all agree that $15 isn't the right number, the difference is you think anything higher than the current minimum wage is the wrong number and I think it needs to go higher.

    Stop trying to defend the 1% by talking about small business owners. I'm not talking about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Valade is what I call a 10 percenter. He takes 10% and applies it to 100% of everything. I'll give him kudos for being a drama queen though. He's definitely good at that.
    What a coincidence! I also call you a 10 percenter, except not because you take 10% and apply it to 100% of everything.

    I call you a 10% percenter because you are only 10% as smart as other people.

    And as for being a drama queen. If I spent the next 2 months doing nothing but whining on here I would still not have whined as much as you. You whine about literally everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Youíre looking at this by considering all business owners as if they were in the top 1% and thatís not the case. Many business owners, especially small businesses, are in the middle class, not much better off than anyone else.

    My friend owns a home healthcare company, taking care of elderly people. He trains his employees meaning they can start at his company with little or no experience. He prides himself on taking care of his employees and Iíve seen first hand that he does. Currently, he pays his employees between $10-13 an hr which is better than most home health aides. With his pricing, after taxes and administrative costs he takes home about $2-3 per hr per client. If the federal minimum wage increased to $15, he would than be paying $15-18 an hr to employees. He would then net negative $2-3 per client. He would most likely need to put the $5 an hr increase in his clients who are elderly people. This is the same in most small businesses. Itís not about taking money from the wealthy. Itís about preserving small businesses.
    10 bucks an hour to clean someoneís ***. Thats a **** job.

    Btw my Mom used to look after old people. She did that and cleaned houses. Never worked for anyone though. One of reasons people hired her was bc of how crappy these home health care agencies are


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    10 bucks an hour to clean someoneís ***. Thats a **** job.

    Btw my Mom used to look after old people. She did that and cleaned houses. Never worked for anyone though. One of reasons people hired her was bc of how crappy these home health care agencies are


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    Therein lies part of the problem.....some jobs we as a society simply don't place a high value on, so they're traditionally not paid well. Therefore companies who employ people to do those jobs often can't find enough quality help to fill those positions. That's where a self-employed person may come in since they can charge what a company would charge but earn a better wage (since a company is charging considerably more than what an employee's wage would be)

    The problem is....we NEED people doing those jobs...and when it comes to elder care, now more than ever since we live longer and the boomers are soon all retired.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Youíre looking at this by considering all business owners as if they were in the top 1% and thatís not the case. Many business owners, especially small businesses, are in the middle class, not much better off than anyone else.

    My friend owns a home healthcare company, taking care of elderly people. He trains his employees meaning they can start at his company with little or no experience. He prides himself on taking care of his employees and Iíve seen first hand that he does. Currently, he pays his employees between $10-13 an hr which is better than most home health aides. With his pricing, after taxes and administrative costs he takes home about $2-3 per hr per client. If the federal minimum wage increased to $15, he would than be paying $15-18 an hr to employees. He would then net negative $2-3 per client. He would most likely need to put the $5 an hr increase in his clients who are elderly people. This is the same in most small businesses. Itís not about taking money from the wealthy. Itís about preserving small businesses.
    Ba da boom, ba da bing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Whatever they want. Why are you all for anything that letís them have more bc moving money benefits everyone but always against actions that result in any of it being moved to the working class? What do you think they do with it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Ba da boom, ba da bing!!

    A cogent thought pon PSD.
    well actually, it's both

    I'm not against the wealthy, more power to them. Many of them get to a certain point in business/whatever that their wealth is growing exponentially more than the work they're putting into it....and that's fine, but then they also seem to think they should be allowed BOTH exponential growth AND more breaks on their tax contributions....and that has to stop, it has snowballed into the power to suck more and more money out of the system while the middle class is left with a larger and larger bill generated by the wealthy to help the lower class...not caring that this results in a higher percentage of middle class slipping into the lower class.

    Simply leveling their contribution percentage to be closer to what Average Joe's is would have a significant impact on the overall economy.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I'm not.

    I'm against giveaways. Giveaways just lead to more giveaways.
    And neglect leads to more neglect.

    Which pathway leads to a better society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    We are talking about Blake, not rittenhouse..

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    I don't know why I was thinking of Rittenhouse.

    the police were not trying to kill Blake, that was not their intent. there was an attempt to arrest, and then after tasers failed there was an attempt to stop Blake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino17 View Post
    Literally has nothing to do with being shot in the back 7 times
    this about a story about Jacob Blake and who he is because of this shooting, where a warrant is relevant to the shooting because the police knew that and why they were there.

    if media was covering this accurately, that would be an important part of the story, for Jacob Blake who should not have even been there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    No, I'm not because I'm not talking about all business owners. I'm talking about the 1%, the corporations.

    You think the idea of trickle down economics is about small business owners in the middle class? No, it's about advocating for the 1% and the wealthiest to save money.

    Also, why do you keep defaulting to $15 when I've specifically said that's too high? It's like you and your ilk keep using $15 to justify not going to $8.25. We all agree that $15 isn't the right number, the difference is you think anything higher than the current minimum wage is the wrong number and I think it needs to go higher.

    Stop trying to defend the 1% by talking about small business owners. I'm not talking about them.
    While you may be wise enough to realize $15 is too high, most of the people pushing for a raise in the minimum wage are not. You see many people protesting who are pushing for $15 an hr or another phrase being used is ďlivable wage.Ē

    I think we need to determine what constitutes a ďlivable wage.Ē Does that include a cellphone plan? Data? Internet? Cable TV? Why use such a subjective term to define an objective measure. Wages are set by the job market. It seems like a back door to justify socialism. Let the government take care of you if your employer canít. Also, you canít determine minimum wage because you believe the wealthy are greedy. It affects all businesses. Thatís reality. You canít pick and choose which businesses should pay more or not, as much as we may want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    10 bucks an hour to clean someoneís ***. Thats a **** job.

    Btw my Mom used to look after old people. She did that and cleaned houses. Never worked for anyone though. One of reasons people hired her was bc of how crappy these home health care agencies are


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    I don't know why I was thinking of Rittenhouse.

    the police were not trying to kill Blake, that was not their intent. there was an attempt to arrest, and then after tasers failed there was an attempt to stop Blake.
    I see. So basically no matter what the police did, they were just trying to stop Blake? So if one of them got an axe and tried chopping his neck off, this would be him just trying to stop Blake, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Facts donít care about your feelings, Ewing.

    Did I do that right?
    No


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