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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    I don't think the main issue here is merely stopping the protests, for starters.
    and once again, I said nothing about stopping the protests, I asked how to stop the riots and looting.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I think we have to get away from saying that riots and destruction "hurt the message". The message is the message and it's a good one. Any riots or destruction should be condemned by anyone with a shred of decency or common sense, that's obvious. But even if someone chooses to spread the message of anti-racism by doing that, the message itself is still good and wholesome irregardless of that person's actions.
    I'm rarely hopeful but I feel like we're closer today to actual change, to some small extent surely, than we were a week ago.

    Protests can work. Riots can work. Just open a textbook and notice how fondly history looks back on those things in this country's history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    and once again, I said nothing about stopping the protests, I asked how to stop the riots and looting.
    Same answer.

    Buildings can be rebuilt. You remain more concerned about the looting than actual violence and the multiple cop murders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    I'm rarely hopeful but I feel like we're closer today to actual change, to some small extent surely, than we were a week ago.

    Protests can work. Riots can work. Just open a textbook and notice how fondly history looks back on those things in this country's history.
    I'm much less hopeful that anything productive comes out of this. I think we're significantly worse off than we were last week. We're trying to change the idea that too many people have that all black people are dangerous, violent criminals who should be treated as less than human. People who feel that way won't have any empathy for why this is happening. The destruction of these riots is only going to confirm in their minds that they're right to think that of black people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Do you think all school shooters ďlookĒ the same? They certainly look, dress and act similar. If you saw a white kid, acting like a potential school shooter, would you not call the cops? Letís say thereís a weird looking dude in a van hanging out at the local elementary school. Would this not concern you?

    Obviously, these are unique circumstances but it doesnít mean you didnít prejudge those individuals. Also, you continue to conflate the ideas of prejudice and racism. You are acting as if young black males in the suburbs get treated like criminals. If they do, thatís racism. Again, Iím not saying the good inner city young black males need to dress differently. Iím saying the bad ones need to stop killing each other. There are bad elements in every community. Thereís nothing racist about pointing out the bad elements of the black community.
    I dont get it bro, so now you're saying you never mentioned black people being judged based on how they dress? You never said they should change that? You never gave me an apology regarding your italian uncle who looks like hes in the mafia?

    I feel like you're back tracking here..

    I'm not conflating the ideas of prejudism and racism, I'm pointing out that being prejudice towards a person's skin color IS racism. I agree there is nothing racist about pointing out bad elements of the black community, but when you do it in a manner to oppose equality then you start toeing that line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I think we have to get away from saying that riots and destruction "hurt the message". The message is the message and it's a good one. Any riots or destruction should be condemned by anyone with a shred of decency or common sense, that's obvious. But even if someone chooses to spread the message of anti-racism by doing that, the message itself is still good and wholesome irregardless of that person's actions.
    The riots were probably inevitable. They were bound to happen. Something has to change and Kaepernick's knee proved to this country that peaceful protest is NOT going to bring about any change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Same answer.

    Buildings can be rebuilt. You remain more concerned about the looting than actual violence and the multiple cop murders.
    You do understand people are being Hurt, people are being killed during these riots, yes? Buildings can be rebuilt, but the lives damaged by that loss of property are sometimes some of the very people the protests are intended to benefit...ppl losing businesses, losing jobs after already suffering thru months of covid concerns.

    So no, I'm not 'more concerned about buildings'
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I'm much less hopeful that anything productive comes out of this. I think we're significantly worse off than we were last week. We're trying to change the idea that too many people have that all black people are dangerous, violent criminals who should be treated as less than human. People who feel that way won't have any empathy for why this is happening. The destruction of these riots is only going to confirm in their minds that they're right to think that of black people.
    No we're trying to fix how we police this country. The problem is on their end. The cops. The government. The people with power over the oppressed. It's not black peoples' burden to make racists not racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    You do understand people are being Hurt, people are being killed during these riots, yes? Buildings can be rebuilt, but the lives damaged by that loss of property are sometimes some of the very people the protests are intended to benefit...ppl losing businesses, losing jobs after already suffering thru months of covid concerns.

    So no, I'm not 'more concerned about buildings'
    Yes. Protestors are being killed by cops. I do realize that and that's what I'm saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    The riots were probably inevitable. They were bound to happen. Something has to change and Kaepernick's knee proved to this country that peaceful protest is NOT going to bring about any change.

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    It's definitely a human reaction. You can't ignore context and pretend this just came out of the blue. It's gotta be handled though. We can't just let buildings burn and people get attacked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    The riots were probably inevitable. They were bound to happen. Something has to change and Kaepernick's knee proved to this country that peaceful protest is NOT going to bring about any change.

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    wait....you can't equate his peaceful protests with these and say peaceful protests won't bring change....his didn't generate thousands to come out in every state...and I'm hoping you're not thinking the violent extras are beneficial to the cause
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    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Insults: no biggie and not the only one here, let's take the temp down a notch everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I dont get it bro, so now you're saying you never mentioned black people being judged based on how they dress? You never said they should change that? You never gave me an apology regarding your italian uncle who looks like hes in the mafia?

    I feel like you're back tracking here..

    I'm not conflating the ideas of prejudism and racism, I'm pointing out that being prejudice towards a person's skin color IS racism. I agree there is nothing racist about pointing out bad elements of the black community, but when you do it in a manner to oppose equality then you start toeing that line.

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    Go back and reread my posts. Iíve said several times that what needs to change is the killing by young black males.

    I used this example. If someone hits you in the head every day and one day you call them a bully and they tell you to stop calling them a bully while they continue to hit you in the head daily, what should happen? I would imagine both behaviors should change. Itís the same with young black, inner city males. While yes, white people should not continue to think of young black males as thugs/criminals, the young black males who are thugs/criminals need to stop acting as such.

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    So they threw tear gas at peaceful protesters near the White House, ducking g tough guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    No we're trying to fix how we police this country. The problem is on their end. The cops. The government. The people with power over the oppressed. It's not black peoples' burden to make racists not racist.
    This is an extremely narrow minded view and absolutely part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Go back and reread my posts. Iíve said several times that what needs to change is the killing by young black males.

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    No, this is what you said

    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    The stereotype that young black males who look, dress and act a certain way are dangerous must change. But that change must come from both sides. Yes, individually speaking, white people can/should make an effort to look past this stereotype. However, individually speaking, young black males can/should make an effort to not fit this stereotype. Itís a two sided stereotype.


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