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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post

    no one gives a crap about these innocent dead black children? there is no way that you are saying that. anyone saying that would be easily called racist and rightfully told to **** off. here I am wanting these black children to get more attention, and people want to argue with me. unbelievable.
    No one has an issue with caring about minority children. The issue is you using it as an argument against BLM. It's disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Ignorance or low IQ?



    That'd be you, not mngopher.


    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    you are predictable. you will post off topic and reply to me whether directly or indirectly.

    prove me wrong if you want, don't talk to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    What you mean is there is no other group you choose to have this extreme hate/double standards towards. I have already shared their actual website sharing their actual mission for you.
    I already contradicted that by something an actual Black Lives Matter group did. try again.

    I would post it yet again, but posting the same thing and you still ignoring it doesn't help if you refuse to accept it.

    I have also said many times now that I do not hate BLM. are you slow or just refuse to accept that.



    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Nope I didn't say that it is strawman. What I did was point out people have seen your individual racist approach over and over and over without an actual answer as to why just this type of constant deflecting.

    Feel free to answer why though, again most are voting all of the above so far.
    seeing how you are wrong and ignorant in an opinion about some "racist approach" (wanting black lives to matter, ) I'm certainly not going to give any credibility to PSD left sharing the same opinion.

    how many times do I need to keep answering before you are able to understand. you're worse than a child, worse than a troll. you do not listen, you already have an opinion no matter what I say.

    but keep arguing. I would like black lives to matter and if you did you would stop deflecting and agree. your call.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    I already contradicted that by something an actual Black Lives Matter group did. try again.

    I would post it yet again, but posting the same thing and you still ignoring it doesn't help if you refuse to accept it.

    I have also said many times now that I do not hate BLM. are you slow or just refuse to accept that.





    seeing how you are wrong and ignorant in an opinion about some "racist approach" (wanting black lives to matter, ) I'm certainly not going to give any credibility to PSD left sharing the same opinion.

    how many times do I need to keep answering before you are able to understand. you're worse than a child, worse than a troll. you do not listen, you already have an opinion no matter what I say.

    but keep arguing. I would like black lives to matter and if you did you would stop deflecting and agree. you're call.
    No, that does not contradict their main message. People can do things outside of their main goal all the time and you picked one to a specific location. We have literally been through this already but you keep trying to twist it to find anyway to attack in this hypocritical manner. It isn't that it hasn't been accepted you posted it, it's that it's already been explained why that's irrelevant yet you keep up the racist approach anyways.

    You really just need to answer why you keep ignoring this to be so extreme in your hatred towards BLM and calling them out? We gave some pretty solid options imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    No, that does not contradict their main message. People can do things outside of their main goal all the time and you picked one to a specific location. We have literally been through this already but you keep trying to twist it to find anyway to attack in this hypocritical manner. It isn't that it hasn't been accepted you posted it, it's that it's already been explained why that's irrelevant yet you keep up the racist approach anyways.

    You really just need to answer why you keep ignoring this to be so extreme in your hatred towards BLM and calling them out? We gave some pretty solid options imo.
    that is what I want them to do more of and you keep ****ing arguing against me.

    again for the ****ing millionth time, I do not hate BLM. what is wrong with you. are you stupid (asking a question) or do you just not want to accept what I'm saying.

    I've given BLM credit, I can post that again too, but you would ignore that as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    that is what I want them to do more of and you keep ****ing arguing against me.

    again for the ****ing millionth time, I do not hate BLM. what is wrong with you. are you stupid (asking a question) or do you just not want to accept what I'm saying.

    I've given BLM credit, I can post that again too, but you would ignore that as well.
    Yes but demanding they do so and calling them out for not doing it is insane. It's an extreme double standard you ONLY take towards them. We have been through this and you won't explain why you keep doing it. No one demands people/organizations touch on every issue out there they could and demanding it is disingenuous/insane/not based in reality of what is possible even.

    If you don't hate them why do you keep attacking them in this manner demanding they adjust to your wants? Again, we had some solid options for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Yes but demanding they do so and calling them out for not doing it is insane. It's an extreme double standard you ONLY take towards them. We have been through this and you won't explain why you keep doing it. No one demands people/organizations touch on every issue out there they could and demanding it is disingenuous/insane/not based in reality of what is possible even.

    If you don't hate them why do you keep attacking them in this manner demanding they adjust to your wants? Again, we had some solid options for you.
    I keep saying why and you keep ignoring it.

    reality..

    Black Lives Matter the group has already done something unrelated to police brutality/racism.

    Black Lives Matter the group could (not demanding) do more, yet people keep arguing against me for saying this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    that is what I want them to do more of and you keep ****ing arguing against me.

    again for the ****ing millionth time, I do not hate BLM. what is wrong with you. are you stupid (asking a question) or do you just not want to accept what I'm saying.

    I've given BLM credit, I can post that again too, but you would ignore that as well.
    You would be an interesting case study

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    I keep saying why and you keep ignoring it.

    reality..

    Black Lives Matter the group has already done something unrelated to police brutality/racism.

    Black Lives Matter the group could (not demanding) do more, yet people keep arguing against me for saying this.
    We aren't ignoring the why, we are pointing out every time you answer the why you do it that it is in a hypocritical way to how you act/post on this forum towards others. We are asking why you take this hypocritical approach only towards them and that is what you can't answer.

    Reality is everyone can do more. Not everyone shares stories about a kid dying then demanding one specific group or person unrelated to it do more like you have been with BLM. You don't do that with anyone else and even support someone like Trump who had far more power/influence for change despite giving that as a reason. Why be so hypocritical in attacking this group in this way you never would anyone else? Answer that question in a way that isn't just extremely hypocritical please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    We are asking why you take this hypocritical approach only towards them and that is what you can't answer.
    I'm genuinely curious what the answer to this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Powders View Post
    You would be an interesting case study

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    Fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Lol now anyone not answering your dumb questions is racist. The reason people are pointing out your racism is you keep taking the same racist approach with hypocrisy/double standards only towards some and trying to single out only black people/organizations to demand they act in the way you want them to. You want to control only them for some reason in this way and wonít explain why.

    Trump had more influence to actually make changes and didnít despite his maga campaign. He could have done far far more yet you actually supported him lol. This is such extreme hypocrisy from you towards some. Blm could do more for all black lives, itís up to them how much they do and where they focus their energy. So could literally every person and group on the planet. That doesnít mean people sit and demand constantly others do everything possible on every topic. I guess itís good if everyone did more to help including blm sure but thatís not the same thing as using a specific death to attack them for not doing what I want. Itís common sense to anyone not being racist/focuses on telling just black people and organizations what to do in this manner.


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    You make a ton of excuses even when deep down, you likely know the truth behind it. BLM stands for Black Lives Matter. It doesn't stand for, Black Lives Matter with a disclaimer of *only when white police officers kill them*. A far higher amount of black deaths are caused by another black individual. Statistically speaking, you are far far far far likelier to be killed by a black person than a police officer. If you preach about BLM, you need to preach about all black lives - including those taken by other black individuals. You aren't dumb, you and I both know that BLM wouldn't exist if they took that stance and thus, why it will never be a focal point for them.

    BLM needs to talk inspire black people to focus on their communities and work with government officials to fix the educational system. Pushing the narrative that police officers are out seeking to kill black people is a dangerous narrative that implies that a black person will never be able to control their life. Fix the communities, fix the educational system, dissolve gang violence, get the drugs out of their lives, and find ways to get investments into these areas. That's how you create lasting change. Or, just ignore the biggest issues that faces the black community and blame it all on white police officers who in the majority of cases, are justified in their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    You make a ton of excuses even when deep down, you likely know the truth behind it. BLM stands for Black Lives Matter. It doesn't stand for, Black Lives Matter with a disclaimer of *only when white police officers kill them*. A far higher amount of black deaths are caused by another black individual. Statistically speaking, you are far far far far likelier to be killed by a black person than a police officer. If you preach about BLM, you need to preach about all black lives - including those taken by other black individuals. You aren't dumb, you and I both know that BLM wouldn't exist if they took that stance and thus, why it will never be a focal point for them.

    BLM needs to talk inspire black people to focus on their communities and work with government officials to fix the educational system. Pushing the narrative that police officers are out seeking to kill black people is a dangerous narrative that implies that a black person will never be able to control their life. Fix the communities, fix the educational system, dissolve gang violence, get the drugs out of their lives, and find ways to get investments into these areas. That's how you create lasting change. Or, just ignore the biggest issues that faces the black community and blame it all on white police officers who in the majority of cases, are justified in their actions.
    Oh good another poster wanting to play this game. If you preach MAGA do you need to preach about everything that can make America greater? If you are in a group for abortion that includes life in the name, do you need to preach about all losses of life? I can go on and on and on but some people only seem to take this approach towards BLM and as has been noted and shared they have a website with a very clear mission laid out. Their mission is based on eradicating white supremacy and stopping violence against their communities from state/vigilantes. You trying to push any other mission on them is your own made up idea in your head not something the group was necessarily created for.

    BLM can do whatever they want in order to push their mission, you do not get to control them. If they do something bad call it out but calling it out for not speaking on issues you demand them to? Lol nah that is ridiculous. In fact I am curious why you feel such a need to control what issues they speak out on but not other people or groups? What specifically makes you think singling them out in this manner and ignoring their stated mission even makes sense?

    You can work to improve many different areas that doesn't negate the need to improve our justice system. The extreme over the top killings and brutality from police also needs to stop and people/groups can also push for advancement in these areas. The people that attack BLM seem to want to ignore that aspect, no one is saying the other issues don't exist or to ignore them that is just your own made up BS. They are saying this is also an issue and you are deflecting away from it to attack them for not adhering to whatever you want them to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Oh good another poster wanting to play this game. If you preach MAGA do you need to preach about everything that can make America greater? If you are in a group for abortion that includes life in the name, do you need to preach about all losses of life? I can go on and on and on but some people only seem to take this approach towards BLM and as has been noted and shared they have a website with a very clear mission laid out. Their mission is based on eradicating white supremacy and stopping violence against their communities from state/vigilantes. You trying to push any other mission on them is your own made up idea in your head not something the group was necessarily created for.

    BLM can do whatever they want in order to push their mission, you do not get to control them. If they do something bad call it out but calling it out for not speaking on issues you demand them to? Lol nah that is ridiculous. In fact I am curious why you feel such a need to control what issues they speak out on but not other people or groups? What specifically makes you think singling them out in this manner and ignoring their stated mission even makes sense?

    You can work to improve many different areas that doesn't negate the need to improve our justice system. The extreme over the top killings and brutality from police also needs to stop and people/groups can also push for advancement in these areas. The people that attack BLM seem to want to ignore that aspect, no one is saying the other issues don't exist or to ignore them that is just your own made up BS. They are saying this is also an issue and you are deflecting away from it to attack them for not adhering to whatever you want them to do.
    White supremacy? LOL, I take back my indication of you being smart.

    Making America Great Again is a vague slogan that can imply all sorts of different policies. It's an opinion-based slogan on what actually would make America great again. To some, it might be lower taxes or to another, it could be to increase trade production. There's no wrong or right answer in terms of how one approaches 'Making America Great Again.'

    Black Lives Matter is pretty direct. If it's against white supremacy, why isn't it "All Lives Matter" since white supremacy would therefore trample over all races who aren't white? You're all over the place so let me educate you some, yeah? We all acknowledge that police brutality, when evident, is a civil issue and not a race issue. Police brutality happens to every race. You wanna run the numbers? Because I guarantee you won't like the results. Stopping the violence from their communities? Uhm, hello, the #1 source of violence in their communities are caused by black-on-black violence. Police encounters happen because they are dispatches by people in these black communities. No police officer strolls around searching for black people to hurt or victimize. Get that out of your head.

    Like I've stated, BLM is a very direct stance and slogan. You target the #1 issue and not the #10 issue. You know what affects black lives? Single parenthood. Gang violence. Drug violence. Poor education. Poor influences. Those are far bigger issues by a scale of a thousand compared to police officers 'victimizing' black people. If you're not focused on those issues, it's obvious that the issue which seems to be the most profitable, being white police officers attacking black people, would be the natural stance you would want to push.

    Play this game? I'm not playing any games. I'm taking my valuable time educating 'educated' people such as yourself. If you want a real discussion where we can actually speak and not be trapped in a written format, we can communicate vocally so we can see how confident it is in your position(s). Other than that, keep spouting nonsense.

    "Oh, BLM is to fight against white supremacy."

    Uhm, white supremacy would hate Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, etc., so why include Black in their slogan? Don't be silly here. No, they don't have to fight for every issue. But they do have to highlight the biggest issues if their goal is truly to uplift the black community. Fight against police brutality? I'm with you on that all day. But also talk about how blacks are being killed by astronomical numbers in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C. Talk about how drugs are being facilitated and gangs are murdering each other for territory. You'll have a ton more supporters from both sides if that were the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    White supremacy? LOL, I take back my indication of you being smart.

    Making America Great Again is a vague slogan that can imply all sorts of different policies. It's an opinion-based slogan on what actually would make America great again. To some, it might be lower taxes or to another, it could be to increase trade production. There's no wrong or right answer in terms of how one approaches 'Making America Great Again.'

    Black Lives Matter is pretty direct. If it's against white supremacy, why isn't it "All Lives Matter" since white supremacy would therefore trample over all races who aren't white? You're all over the place so let me educate you some, yeah? We all acknowledge that police brutality, when evident, is a civil issue and not a race issue. Police brutality happens to every race. You wanna run the numbers? Because I guarantee you won't like the results. Stopping the violence from their communities? Uhm, hello, the #1 source of violence in their communities are caused by black-on-black violence. Police encounters happen because they are dispatches by people in these black communities. No police officer strolls around searching for black people to hurt or victimize. Get that out of your head.

    Like I've stated, BLM is a very direct stance and slogan. You target the #1 issue and not the #10 issue. You know what affects black lives? Single parenthood. Gang violence. Drug violence. Poor education. Poor influences. Those are far bigger issues by a scale of a thousand compared to police officers 'victimizing' black people. If you're not focused on those issues, it's obvious that the issue which seems to be the most profitable, being white police officers attacking black people, would be the natural stance you would want to push.

    Play this game? I'm not playing any games. I'm taking my valuable time educating 'educated' people such as yourself. If you want a real discussion where we can actually speak and not be trapped in a written format, we can communicate vocally so we can see how confident it is in your position(s). Other than that, keep spouting nonsense.

    "Oh, BLM is to fight against white supremacy."

    Uhm, white supremacy would hate Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, etc., so why include Black in their slogan? Don't be silly here. No, they don't have to fight for every issue. But they do have to highlight the biggest issues if their goal is truly to uplift the black community. Fight against police brutality? I'm with you on that all day. But also talk about how blacks are being killed by astronomical numbers in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C. Talk about how drugs are being facilitated and gangs are murdering each other for territory. You'll have a ton more supporters from both sides if that were the case.
    Black Lives Matter is also an opinion based group and yes white supremacy is mentioned in the mission quite clearly. I am not sure how pointing out facts is the same as not being smart to you but I am not sure much of what you say is gonna make sense so we can skip over it. They have every right to have their own meanings/goals within the group just like those using that phrase can have theirs. Anyone can point at either and say they aren't helping black lives or making America greater and that is opinion aimed at them as well. Also you didn't answer on abortion groups but it is the same idea they claim to be pro-life quite often even in the names it will be included.

    It isn't all lives matter because everyone see's the racism/history of this country and the statistics often back up different treatment. Spliff shared a very good video the other day about the reaction to stop Asian Hate. No one made it about stopping all hate because they understand the issues happening in this country right now towards Asian people. It's the ones that respond to actual issues with the all lives matter that are the problem here they want to ignore the systematic issues being pointed out to play this game about race. Black Lives Matter has a specific goal unrelated to any remote idea that all lives don't matter.

    What do you mean the #1 issue? The #1 issue related to white supremacy and state/vigilante violence is single parenthood? You are the one trying to make this into something else and tell black people/organizations what to do and focus on. Single parenthoods could be related to the system locking up black people at a disproportionate rate and using methods like the war on drugs to attack communities. Even the issues you touch on are impacted by some of the actual missions/goals they have and speak on.

    Except you aren't educating you are being extremely hypocritical towards this one group and ignoring their mission to attack them. They include black in their slogan because that is what the statistics/data show when it comes to policing, our history etc. as noted it is the same idea as stop Asian hate. Do you respond to that with stop all hate or do you see what is going on and just agree with the idea? Why is it so different for you to do the same with BLM?

    BLM can have it's own focus on how to help the community without denying anything you are calling for. Many in these activist groups are active in many ways within their communities as well so they are helping these issues just not as part of BLM with other missions. Also many way people would work to curb these issues like with gun control are fought at the political level as well it isn't something they can just change on their own. We went for a very long time with organizations claiming to care about life or slogans about making America great and no one ever called them out in the same manner for not matching their phrases/names. I do not think it is surprising BLM is treated drastically different by some nor that many go the "all lives matter" route despite it being very obvious a double standard/hypocrisy on how most would be handled.
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