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View Poll Results: Swap Tim Duncan and Chris Bosh on 11-14 Heat/Spurs, who gets better?

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  • Both get better

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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYKalltheway View Post
    The real answer is that Duncan wouldn't have made such a switch.

    Now the hypothetical answer is that Duncan makes the Heat even better but Bosh doesn't ruin the Spurs' chances to advance to a Finals within the same 4 year period that they made it to two finals. Whether it's 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4 times depends on many parameters outside of Bosh's or Duncan's quality, as RS standings could also change for Spurs, there's the chemistry issue etc. But I'd give most odds to 1 time in the Finals. Probably in 2012. And they'd lose in 4 or 5 to Heat.

    Duncan's indispensable at San Antonio, he makes the team click. Even if you add Dirk there who I assume is widely considered the best PF of that time, the results wouldn't be as good probably.
    He may have switch if he was not winning and if winning was important to him. May not of been his choice they may have made it for him as well . Winning changes everything Spurs made Duncan family.

    Derozan/Lamarcus cant duplicate the success Duncan had with his ability to man the paint. Would Bosh have been able to work in paint and be a defensive force playing Spurs slow pace grind it? Spurs were not the team trying to outscore you. While i Like Bosh and think he would have worked well with a number of up tempo teams i think POP would of need to change his approach to get to the finals. Heat NO question would have won base on talent. Not to sure they would have gotten better on offence unless Duncan went back to the signature bank shot opining the paint for the two not so great shooters whos goal was to get to the rim. On the defensive side they would have improved however.
    Last edited by ldawg; 05-28-2020 at 06:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    In those years, it's actually worth a convo, only because Bosh was in his peak and TD looked old and fading. Obviously his resurgence after those couple of down years makes this an easier debate, but it's a legit question.

    Heat get better though. Spurs don't.
    Bosh may have been at his peak but his numbers really don't suggest that. You have to consider playing with Wade and Lebron obvi but we'll never know if he was in fact in his peak in maimi because his inflated numbers looked so much better in Toronto. Also bosh had a short lived peak while Timmy had the longevity. When you consider the fact that Duncan was so much better for so much longer plus lead his teams to ships while Bosh could only do it as a supporting piece, I think it's a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    I think neither team gets better.

    I don't think Timmy would be able to handle playing 35 minutes a night on average over those years. He was logging 28 a night in San Antonio. The Heat also played much faster than the Spurs.

    Offensively I think Bosh could've helped the Spurs more than Timmy. I just don't think Bosh could handle the defensive responsibility that Duncan continued to hold down in his old age. Duncan hadn't become a liability on D yet and Bosh was never able to handle "bigger" big men.
    I dunno man Bosh became a black hole the last couple years in Toronto. Him and his 10 jab steps on the high post always leading to a contested mid range jumper. He was decent but obviously not an offensive first option on a championship team. Good stretch 4-5 for the modern nba if he was playing today. But he was no Tim Duncan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Bosh may have been at his peak but his numbers really don't suggest that. You have to consider playing with Wade and Lebron obvi but we'll never know if he was in fact in his peak in maimi because his inflated numbers looked so much better in Toronto. Also bosh had a short lived peak while Timmy had the longevity. When you consider the fact that Duncan was so much better for so much longer plus lead his teams to ships while Bosh could only do it as a supporting piece, I think it's a no brainer.
    my point overall is that in a bubble, Duncan shats all over Bosh. But the reason this is a debate, is Duncan looked old around then, but had a resurgence a couple years later. Bosh, was in his physical prime still. Even as the lesser player, many may have though Bosh in those years would be better than Duncan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    my point overall is that in a bubble, Duncan shats all over Bosh. But the reason this is a debate, is Duncan looked old around then, but had a resurgence a couple years later. Bosh, was in his physical prime still. Even as the lesser player, many may have though Bosh in those years would be better than Duncan.
    I get what you're saying. At the time TD was assumed to be declining. I do wonder how Bosh' game would have aged if he didn't have the blood clots.

    I remember when Bosh was drafted he was drawing lots of KG, Tim Duncan comparisons. He didn't end up being much like either of em.
    Last edited by smith&wesson; 05-28-2020 at 07:27 PM.

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    If Bosh was better than Tim Duncan in 2011-2014, then the Heat would have four rings during that stretch.

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    heat get better. Defense actually matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    I dunno man Bosh became a black hole the last couple years in Toronto. Him and his 10 jab steps on the high post always leading to a contested mid range jumper. He was decent but obviously not an offensive first option on a championship team. Good stretch 4-5 for the modern nba if he was playing today. But he was no Tim Duncan.
    Well that probably had a lot to do with him having nobody to pass to lol. I think Bosh could've easily filled Timmy's role offensively on those Spurs teams though. Bosh had some great quickness for a big man and one of the fastest spin moves for a near 7 footer.
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    Duncan is HOFer and a top 10 player of all time

    Bosh is great and a HOF but I wouldn't put Bosh in the top 100 players of all-time list

    Duncan would be another player to dump the ball down and let him go to work

    Duncan can't shoot 3's but he can space the floor well enough for Wade and LeBron

    Also Duncan would be a great screener, he would get more buckets with LeBron dishing

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanSpray View Post
    If Bosh was better than Tim Duncan in 2011-2014, then the Heat would have four rings during that stretch.
    Miami literally won a G7 of the NBA finals with a 0-7-2 stat line from Bosh. There is no way Bosh was better than Duncan
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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    I think neither team gets better.

    I don't think Timmy would be able to handle playing 35 minutes a night on average over those years. He was logging 28 a night in San Antonio. The Heat also played much faster than the Spurs.

    Offensively I think Bosh could've helped the Spurs more than Timmy. I just don't think Bosh could handle the defensive responsibility that Duncan continued to hold down in his old age. Duncan hadn't become a liability on D yet and Bosh was never able to handle "bigger" big men.
    This is the answer I was looking for. I think both teams are probably a little worse, although Duncan's defensive prowess and veteran presence makes it almost a wash for Miami. Offensively, Bosh was the superior player at that point and had more range on his jumper (though he wasn't the 3-point shooter he became at the end of his career), so I do think the Heat would lose a bit on the offensive side of the floor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vee-Rex View Post
    From 2011-14 the Heat get better. It wasn't peak Bosh.

    If Bosh and Duncan were in their prime from 2011-14, then the Spurs get better.

    /end thread
    Wait what?!?!? From the 2011-2014 Prime Duncan on Miami and Prime Bosh on the Spurs. The Spurs get better?!?! Did you forget how good Prime Duncan was.

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    the Heat get much better. Bosh was good, but Timmy even those years was GREAT.

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