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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    That was true at one point, especially early in the league's formation. But if the players really wanted to cut the owners out, they could absolutely establish their own version of what amounts to the league office today and put that group in charge of scheduling, facility contracts and TV contracts. That group would absolutely have to grow in size, but if you're taking away the owners cut of revenue, increasing the payments to a central league office should still likely result in a larger payment to the players. And you may actually benefit from having contract and facility negotiations centrilized too.

    You would have to change the salary cap structure with a centralized league office. And realistically, each team would have the same salary cap and players would have to sign percentage of the cap type of structures, but if all the players agreed and they hired the right people to run the central office, they could absolutely succeed without owners these days.

    The awkward peice to figure out is who's in charge of each team though. Obviously the GM or whoever can figure that out, but who decides on who gets hired and fired as a GM would take some thinking.
    Thereís so many more issues to what youíre suggesting. Itís not only improbable but likely impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    How does the CBA dictate the terms between a player and another company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueFan420 View Post
    Thereís so many more issues to what youíre suggesting. Itís not only improbable but likely impossible.
    I agree they are never going to do it. But with the right leadership, it wouldn't be that difficult.

    The league is established, and that's especially true in the nba. Look how many kids are lebron fans and not heat, cavs or Lakers fans. Compared to other sports, the brand equity of the team is much smaller compared to the players. There will be some patriot fans who become buccaneers fans because of Brady, but not near as many cavs fans who became Lakers fans because of lebron. I was right in the middle of one of the biggest sports figure breakups in the nfl when Favre left Green Bay. Some fans left, many were pissed, but for the most part, the vast majority stayed packers fans. That's not the NBA.

    The jobs of the owners and ownership groups could be fairly easily centralized, and quite frankly, in some case, possibly be done better if its centralized.

    He may not be the exact one to do it, espeically since he's currently an owner, but if the players went to someone like Mark Cuban and said we're forming our own league. We want to put you in charge. You basically act as commish. Your office negotiates TV deals and stadium deals and all of that type of stuff, I think they could pull it off. And you could get someone pretty darn good to do that job since you have quite a bit of money to play with. You could essentially take the profits from 30 owners, give 25% of that to the person who runs the league to take for themselves and their staff, add in all of the salary the commis office is already being paid, and you have some really high paying, attractive jobs. And that still allows the players to dump quite a bit of money back into their pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Sounds like it's deabteable if it's legal or not but the league probably has plenty of leeway to veto it if they want.

    I appreciate his creativity, but it would create a huge slippery slope. What's to prevent a few wealthy individuals who aren't associated with the real from dropping huge sums for him to circumnavigate the cap.

    If he were to successfully do it, then it could open it up to guys like lebron or kawhi or whoever doing it and getting huge sums from local business people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    Sounds like it's deabteable if it's legal or not but the league probably has plenty of leeway to veto it if they want.

    I appreciate his creativity, but it would create a huge slippery slope. What's to prevent a few wealthy individuals who aren't associated with the real from dropping huge sums for him to circumnavigate the cap.

    If he were to successfully do it, then it could open it up to guys like lebron or kawhi or whoever doing it and getting huge sums from local business people.
    Oh definitely on most of what you said. I think the part that isn't debatable is this passage of the CBA:
    It shall constitute a violation of Section 1(a) above for a Team (or Team Affiliate) to enter into an agreement or understanding with any sponsor or business partner or third-party under which such sponsor, business partner or third-party pays or agrees to pay compensation for basketball services (even if such compensation is ostensibly designated as being for non-basketball services) to a player under Contract to the Team.
    As pointed out in the article is the fans are acting as the sponsor to compensate him for taking a contract with a team.

    Now I can foresee his counter being that he's technically paid before being under contract, but it's clear you can't even enter and understanding where that happens.

    Honestly there's something fishy about his contract dealings from wanting to sell bonds in his contract (effectively giving him money now and paying back investors over the term of his contract), and now starting this venture to pay him double what his biggest single season salary would be in the first year of a 3-year contract (with a player opt out). Basically he's angling to get a lot of money right now as opposed to when his contract is supposed to pay him.

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