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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    Murray was more valuable than all of Wentz, Stafford, Ryan and Brady last year. Progression in 2020 will put him significantly ahead of those guys. He's already the clear #3 to me. The only two who can make a case is an aging Rodgers and, as much as most of this forum doesn't want to hear it, Prescott.
    Stoooop. Wentz was throwing to ball boys and cheerleaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    If someone here had said last off-season that Lamar Jackson was a top 3 QB in the AFC, people would've had the same reaction. Statistics don't always tell the whole story. I'm standing by my statement. Kyler Murray will finish 2020 as the undisputed 3rd best QB in the NFC, if not higher. Regardless of what his rookie numbers were, I will put my money on Murray right now to be a better QB in 2020 than Wentz, Brady, Rodgers, etc. I don't need to wait and see to put him 3 on my list. I'm confident that he'll be there.
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunuu View Post
    Being addicted to having wentz nuts fixated in your mouth really shows low character.

    The guy cant even play a full season without breaking
    Weird attack, but ok.

    When healthy, my statement stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Weird attack, but ok.

    When healthy, my statement stands.
    The narrator : but he's never healthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis94 View Post
    The narrator : but he's never healthy
    Played two full seasons, could have a third if it weren’t going to make things worse.

    Tad overblown but he does need to stay healthy.

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    1, Russell Wilson
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Matt Stafford
    4. Drew Brees
    5. Carson Wentz
    6. Tom Brady
    7. Matt Ryan
    8. Dak Prescott
    9. Kirk Cousins
    10. Jimmy Garoppolo
    11. Kyler Murray
    12. Nick Foles
    13. Jared Goff
    14. Teddy Bridgewater
    15. Daniel Jones
    16. Dwayne Haskins

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    1, Russell Wilson
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Matt Stafford
    4. Drew Brees
    5. Carson Wentz
    6. Tom Brady
    7. Matt Ryan
    8. Dak Prescott
    9. Kirk Cousins
    10. Jimmy Garoppolo
    11. Kyler Murray
    12. Nick Foles
    13. Jared Goff
    14. Teddy Bridgewater
    15. Daniel Jones
    16. Dwayne Haskins
    Flip Goff and Foles, and this list is perfect imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    1, Russell Wilson
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Matt Stafford
    4. Drew Brees
    5. Carson Wentz
    6. Tom Brady
    7. Matt Ryan
    8. Dak Prescott
    9. Kirk Cousins
    10. Jimmy Garoppolo
    11. Kyler Murray
    12. Nick Foles
    13. Jared Goff
    14. Teddy Bridgewater
    15. Daniel Jones
    16. Dwayne Haskins
    You could put the top 8 in nearly any order (note: nearly) and I wouldn’t have too much to legitimately have an issue with

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingfor28 View Post
    Did Pat Mahomes die?
    No but did he join the NFC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    1, Russell Wilson
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Matt Stafford
    4. Drew Brees
    5. Carson Wentz
    6. Tom Brady
    7. Matt Ryan
    8. Dak Prescott
    9. Kirk Cousins
    10. Jimmy Garoppolo
    11. Kyler Murray
    12. Nick Foles
    13. Jared Goff
    14. Teddy Bridgewater
    15. Daniel Jones
    16. Dwayne Haskins
    Matt Stafford lol. A good QB except for his propensity for turnovers and not winning

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    He did say NFC only.
    My bad. Read it as NFL. Disregard.

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    In what world is brady on the level of even a wentz/dak currently? not even trying to be a dick but brady isnt a top 5 qb in the NFC and rodgers might not be top 5...

    Wilson
    Brees


    stafford

    Rodgers/Wentz/Dak

    Brady/Ryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by zookman65 View Post
    Matt Stafford lol. A good QB except for his propensity for turnovers and not winning
    lol what propensity for turnovers? he averages less than 15 turnovers a season the last 6 years.

    even brees has spent the vast majority of his career averaging more than that

    if stafford has a turnover problem then almost every single QB in the nfl does as well

    and he doesnt win games because he's consistantly been on a bottom 5 team his entire career, a team that perpetually lacks talent

    you're speaking complete nonsense and putting no thought into any of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by NormSizedMidget View Post
    It's different now than it was.

    When he won the second one, Giants fans are here we're outside of their minds.
    That quote always cracks me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basch152 View Post
    lol what propensity for turnovers? he averages less than 15 turnovers a season the last 6 years.

    even brees has spent the vast majority of his career averaging more than that

    if stafford has a turnover problem then almost every single QB in the nfl does as well

    and he doesnt win games because he's consistantly been on a bottom 5 team his entire career, a team that perpetually lacks talent

    you're speaking complete nonsense and putting no thought into any of this
    Here's a list of QBs from 2011 sorted by Int%, minimum 2500 passing attempts:

    http://pfref.com/tiny/aVHdm

    Stafford comes in 8th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basch152 View Post
    lol what propensity for turnovers? he averages less than 15 turnovers a season the last 6 years.

    even brees has spent the vast majority of his career averaging more than that

    if stafford has a turnover problem then almost every single QB in the nfl does as well

    and he doesnt win games because he's consistantly been on a bottom 5 team his entire career, a team that perpetually lacks talent

    you're speaking complete nonsense and putting no thought into any of this
    probably the only thing me and you have ever agreed on and i hate the lions... stafford will go down as a super underrated QB and i am not even joking... This isnt a shot at you either and what i am about to say but the lions completely ****ed over a great QB much like the packers did rodgers.... We all speak of rodgers shortcomings from his team but stafford has been handicapped just as bad.

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