COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

[dbroncos78087]

Since Zoo's are now vaccinating their animals...does that make the vax Horse Medicine?

Hehe this made me laugh. Thank you sir!

[spliff(TONE)]

That's not what myocarditis is you dolt. It's inflammation of the heart. Think like how the Grinches heart grew three sizes.
A heart attack is a cardiac arrest where blood in the ventricles is blocked. They're completely different issues.


I'm not discouraging vaccination, I just don't know how we vax our way out of this situation if it's in animals, and not just pet cat's/dogs, but feral rats.

How do you stop it from spreading and mutating then?

Hey, dumb ****: the term you originally used was "myocardial infarction", which is absolutely interchangeable with a heart attack. The fact that you somehow don't know this makes it all the more likely that you are full of ****, as per usual. Or are you simply embarrassed to admit that a young "alpha male" had a heart attack?

[Crovash]

Hey, dumb ****: the term you originally used was "myocardial infarction", which is absolutely interchangeable with a heart attack.

IIRC, the wording he used was “myocardial infraction”.

[mngopher35]

Hey, dumb ****: the term you originally used was "myocardial infarction", which is absolutely interchangeable with a heart attack. The fact that you somehow don't know this makes it all the more likely that you are full of ****, as per usual. Or are you simply embarrassed to admit that a young "alpha male" had a heart attack?

He also has said he got J&J which does not carry the same risks for myocarditis (that's the mrna vaccines pfizer and moderna). It has risk related to blood clotting moreso which I think you already noted.

Like most of what he posts on the forum, it's hard to take anything he's been saying at face value.

[spliff(TONE)]

IIRC, the wording he used was “myocardial infraction”.

Yes, he did. However, that's not even a thing. I actually meant to mention the fact that he couldn't even spell "myocardial infarction" correctly earlier.

[ciaban2.0]

Hey, dumb ****: the term you originally used was "myocardial infarction", which is absolutely interchangeable with a heart attack. The fact that you somehow don't know this makes it all the more likely that you are full of ****, as per usual. Or are you simply embarrassed to admit that a young "alpha male" had a heart attack?

I'm using the terms my doctor used, and that was used in my discharge papers from the hospitals.

Why would I be embarrassed about a medical condition out of my control, I'm no more embarrassed of my thyroid problem, (which likely contributed to this problem, as my doctor suggested) or this problem, just like you shouldn't be embarrassed about your erectile dysfunction, know one here is judging you for your flaccid penis SPLIFF, this is a safe place.

Perhaps you should look at the titles of the things you post if your intent is not to discourage vaccination.

But that's assuming it isn't your intent.

Anyway, weren't you the one earlier in this thread saying that COVID would keep mutating to be less virulent? Wouldn't this just speed that process up?

You hope so, but ultimately there is no telling, the strategy our (and many govt) have been and are continuing to pursue is one of Covid Zero, where the vax is the only solution, I'm not sure that's at all possible if this thing is now mutating and spreading to rats, ultimately we don't know what it will do.

[ciaban2.0]

He also has said he got J&J which does not carry the same risks for myocarditis (that's the mrna vaccines pfizer and moderna). It has risk related to blood clotting moreso which I think you already noted.

Like most of what he posts on the forum, it's hard to take anything he's been saying at face value.

The risks of heart problems are LOWER for J&J than for other vaccines, but my pre-existing conditions put me at higher risks ANYWAY. I took a calculated risk after consulting my doctors. I'm not upset at all.

BTW in this same thread, most of you guys would talk about getting the vax and it's effects on you, (got the vax, arm's sore, felt a little tired for a couple of days) but I can't talk about my experience with the vaccine.

The risk of blood clothing is in menstruating women...I'm not worried about that.

[spliff(TONE)]

I'm using the terms my doctor used, and that was used in my discharge papers from the hospitals.

Why would I be embarrassed about a medical condition out of my control, I'm no more embarrassed of my thyroid problem, (which likely contributed to this problem, as my doctor suggested) or this problem, just like you shouldn't be embarrassed about your erectile dysfunction, know one here is judging you for your flaccid penis SPLIFF, this is a safe place.

You hope so, but ultimately there is no telling, the strategy our (and many govt) have been and are continuing to pursue is one of Covid Zero, where the vax is the only solution, I'm not sure that's at all possible if this thing is now mutating and spreading to rats, ultimately we don't know what it will do.

Then you had a heart attack, you dumb mother ****er.

Buttholes and weiners seem to be a recurring theme with you. Hope you're able to work all of that out in a healthy way.

[spliff(TONE)]

The risk of blood clothing is in menstruating women...I'm not worried about that.

You've said that twice now. The risk is not exclusive to either women or menstruating women.

Thanks for continuing your misinformation trend.

[mngopher35]

The risks of heart problems are LOWER for J&J than for other vaccines, but my pre-existing conditions put me at higher risks ANYWAY. I took a calculated risk after consulting my doctors. I'm not upset at all.

BTW in this same thread, most of you guys would talk about getting the vax and it's effects on you, (got the vax, arm's sore, felt a little tired for a couple of days) but I can't talk about my experience with the vaccine.

The risk of blood clothing is in menstruating women...I'm not worried about that.

The blood clotting issue is not only related to menstruating women. I hope you are actually getting information from your doctor but it is just so hard to believe you with how much misinformation you keep sharing thread to thread to thread and this one has been no different.

I haven't heard/seen anything related to myocarditis for J&J, it's always been a problem for the mrna vaccines like I said. Any studies backing this up? I am not going to deny it's possible just would like a little more than your word for it.

You can talk about your experiences but if they go against what most know and you don't seem to understand the terms you use etc. it becomes more questionable. Given your history that's a common issue and it just is tough to take anything you say at face value.

[natepro]

The J&J vaccine comes with a small risk of blood clots, not myocarditis.

Here's the FDA fact sheet for Pfizer, listing myocarditis among the possible side effects on page 4.

Here's the FDA fact sheet for Moderna, listing myocarditis among the possible side effects on page 3.

Here's the FDA fact sheet for J&J, and myocarditis is not listed.

[ciaban2.0]

The blood clotting issue is not only related to menstruating women. I hope you are actually getting information from your doctor but it is just so hard to believe you with how much misinformation you keep sharing thread to thread to thread and this one has been no different.

I haven't heard/seen anything related to myocarditis for J&J, it's always been a problem for the mrna vaccines like I said. Any studies backing this up? I am not going to deny it's possible just would like a little more than your word for it.

You can talk about your experiences but if they go against what most know and you don't seem to understand the terms you use etc. it becomes more questionable. Given your history that's a common issue and it just is tough to take anything you say at face value.

This is from their own website.

https://www.janssenmd.com/janssen-covid19-vaccine

As of October 6, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reported a total of 71 cases of myopericarditis in individuals vaccinated with Ad26.

It has happened, it's very rare though, same with the blood clotting, it's a rare phenomenon in women between the ages of 30-49.

[ciaban2.0]

You've said that twice now. The risk is not exclusive to either women or menstruating women.

Thanks for continuing your misinformation trend.

Virtually EVERYONE who has had blood clots after getting the J&J is a woman. It's so rare in men, it's not worth worrying about.

The figure is an increase from the 15 confirmed cases, all of which were in women, that were reported at last month’s meeting.

Although officials have now identified a handful of cases in men, women — especially those between the ages of 30 and 49 — appear to remain at elevated risk. “The trend is that the reporting rates are higher in females compared to males in all age categories,” Dr. Shimabukuro said at the meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/h...ood-clots.html

[ciaban2.0]

The J&J vaccine comes with a small risk of blood clots, not myocarditis.

Here's the FDA fact sheet for Pfizer, listing myocarditis among the possible side effects on page 4.

Here's the FDA fact sheet for Moderna, listing myocarditis among the possible side effects on page 3.

Here's the FDA fact sheet for J&J, and myocarditis is not listed.

https://www.janssenmd.com/janssen-covid19-vaccine

As of October 6, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reported a total of 71 cases of myopericarditis in individuals vaccinated with Ad26.

Unless J&J is lying on their own website about the number of cases, I think it's fair to say that it has happened and that there is an EXTREMELY small risk.

I have preexisting health conditions that make me more susceptible, the only other option was to take an mNRA with a higher likelihood of complications for a man my age, or not get vaccinated at all.
Would you prefer I was unvaccinated?

I don't personally have any regrets. I knew consulted my physicians, we made a plan, I knew the risks, **** happens.

[mngopher35]

https://www.janssenmd.com/janssen-covid19-vaccine


Unless J&J is lying on their own website about the number of cases, I think it's fair to say that it has happened and that there is an EXTREMELY small risk.

I have preexisting health conditions that make me more susceptible, the only other option was to take an mNRA with a higher likelihood of complications for a man my age, or not get vaccinated at all.
Would you prefer I was unvaccinated?

I don't personally have any regrets. I knew consulted my physicians, we made a plan, I knew the risks, **** happens.

I misread that the first time and you added more in an edit. Nate's post notes that is just VAERS. Do you have anything else that would actually serve as proof not just something that can be reported to without any confirmation?

It isn't that I prefer you not be vaccinated at all. It is that you have constantly shared misinformation with clear agendas for much of your time in this forum. You started with a myocardial infarction then went to myocarditis but got J&J which doesn't have that as a known issue. You keep mentioning blood clotting being related to menstruating women when it isn't the case it can happen in men and is linked above as an issue. It just isn't overly adding up and would prefer some evidence that's actually an issue with the vaccine itself and not more of what we have become used to.