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    COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

    Indeed, a number of recent polls by Axios, Civiqs, NBC News/Wall Street Journal, Pew, Reuters, and Quinnipiac University have all confirmed that concern about COVID-19 is greater among self-identified Democrats than Republicans (this summary suggests that, on average, 65 percent of Democrats are either somewhat or very concerned about catching the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus compared to only 38 percent of Republicans), while Republicans are much more likely to believe that social distancing is an unnecessary overreaction.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psy...-beliefs%3famp

    The title of this thread came to me prior to actually finding this article. Just something I've been noticing more and more lately.

    Regardless this could be used as a general thread for COVID-19/coronavirus discussion as well.

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    People are in a culture war and we don;t know how to stop... Hell There's a chance for a global ceasefire to actual war and we can't listen to each other with out calling people stupid.

    Ya know people are scared... scared of dieing. Scared of going broke. scared of losing control. And instead of shutting the **** up and going you know what it sucks to deal with that. Instead of processing all these god damn feelings... It's just easier to say you are ****ing stupid because Trump/ libtards.

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    I donít think that this split is entirely political. Republicans and democrats are widely believed to see the world differently in a way that would impact their view of the crisis.

    Republicans tend to be less likely to trust anything out of the government including scientific data. The tend to look for solutions by the individual and not the collective. Democrats are more likely to accept government information especially scientific information and solutions in group actions.

    Iím not saying there isnít a strong political component to the division, just that there is also likely personality reasons for how we see the crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasMan View Post
    I donít think that this split is entirely political. Republicans and democrats are widely believed to see the world differently in a way that would impact their view of the crisis.

    Republicans tend to be less likely to trust anything out of the government including scientific data. The tend to look for solutions by the individual and not the collective. Democrats are more likely to accept government information especially scientific information and solutions in group actions.

    Iím not saying there isnít a strong political component to the division, just that there is also likely personality reasons for how we see the crisis.
    Absolutely but you also can't deny the correlation. Yes, I'm aware you didn't but still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasMan View Post
    I donít think that this split is entirely political. .
    I think its political. There are 2 sides to this issue, the virus and the economy. Each political side seems to prioritize differently. Both sides are right. It just depends how we want to move forward as a country.

    Essentially what Brewers is saying is true. We need to figure out what protocol to set to allow us to start slowly opening back up. That's the smart way to go about it.

    The big question is do we have leadership capable of figuring that protocol out. The answer is a resounding no.

    So we're kinda stuck in the middle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I think its political. There are 2 sides to this issue, the virus and the economy. Each political side seems to prioritize differently. Both sides are right. It just depends how we want to move forward as a country.

    Essentially what Brewers is saying is true. We need to figure out what protocol to set to allow us to start slowly opening back up. That's the smart way to go about it.

    The big question is do we have leadership capable of figuring that protocol out. The answer is a resounding no.
    I disagree somewhat with the bolded. Our response to the virus is not what is the real root cause of our economic problems. The system is. The virus is simply highlighting the gaps in our economic system ó which if we donít address as a result of this event, we will face again.

    For example, we have developed an increasingly service heavy economy that more and more relies on part-time or gig work, with relatively fewer empowering resources available to those workers, much less a heath care system that actually functions effectively.

    I do not disagree with the notion that we should proceed, albeit cautiously, towards opening up. But Iíd not like to ignore the things we can learn in our desire to do so.

    This is just the beginning.

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    I think republicans were sold a story that this virus was no big ****ing deal by their president and Fox News and other conservative outlets, so thatís what they were fed and therefore thatís their reality.

    Now these outlets are telling them that is time to open the country and well here they go with that.

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    COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    I think republicans were sold a story that this virus was no big ****ing deal by their president and Fox News and other conservative outlets, so thatís what they were fed and therefore thatís their reality.

    Now these outlets are telling them that is time to open the country and well here they go with that.
    Yeah thatís exactly it! Damn Fox News! Iíve always said that shutting the economy down is stupid. Thatís going to potentially cause more harm than the virus itself will. Especially if these numbers are true where the mortality rate could be closer to the flu than the 1-2% like first projected.

    People have lost their jobs. People donít have any money. Small businesses are closing daily. Over 50% of restaurants in WI will likely be shutting down for good according to the WI restaurant association. Depression is likely a lot higher resulting in more suicide cases. Domestic abuse issues are higher now and kids/seniors are being forced out of a lot of stuff. Prom, graduation, athletes missing their last year.

    They should have protected the most vulnerable without shutting down the entire country.


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    COVID-19 Response: An issue that shouldn't be at all political....yet here we are

    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    Yeah thatís exactly it! Damn Fox News! Iíve always said that shutting the economy down is stupid. Thatís going to potentially cause more harm than the virus itself will. Especially if these numbers are true where the mortality rate could be closer to the flu than the 1-2% like first projected.

    People have lost their jobs. People donít have any money. Small businesses are closing daily. Over 50% of restaurants in WI will likely be shutting down for good according to the WI restaurant association. Depression is likely a lot higher resulting in more suicide cases. Domestic abuse issues are higher now and kids/seniors are being forced out of a lot of stuff. Prom, graduation, athletes missing their last year.

    They should have protected the most vulnerable without shutting down the entire country.


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    Wait, so the economy is worth more than the lives of thousands and thousands of our citizens? This is nothing like the flu. Have you had anyone in your life affected by this? I have and I donít wish it upon anyone. Imagine having someone you love go into the hospital to be checked and you never get to see that person again. Canít wait for you or FNK or Sluggo try to tell me you all coincidentally disagree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    Wait, so the economy is worth more than the lives of thousands and thousands of our citizens? This is nothing like the flu. Have you had anyone in your life affected by this? I have and I donít wish it upon anyone. Imagine having someone you love go into the hospital to be checked and you never get to see that person again. Canít wait for you or FNK or Sluggo try to tell me you all coincidentally disagree.


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    I have not but I can tell you shutting down areas that have like 5 cases the entire time in a wide area is beyond stupid. You canít shut down entire states with little cases and widespread area with very little population. Iím not saying open everything up but I think thereís more reasonable steps that can be taken other than shutting down everything


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    In case people weren't aware of the protesting in Michigan the other day:

    https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    In case people weren't aware of the protesting in Michigan the other day:

    https://youtu.be/1t-GzuZukQs
    Another protest happened in North Carolina. A similar protest in Maryland is occurring tomorrow, and in Pennsylvania on Monday, where they are debating a bill from their house that would reopen non-essential businesses.

    People have moved from support of the lockdown to needing to get back to work and wanting to avoid being ruined financially. I completely understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasTomasz View Post
    Another protest happened in North Carolina. A similar protest in Maryland is occurring tomorrow, and in Pennsylvania on Monday, where they are debating a bill from their house that would reopen non-essential businesses.

    People have moved from support of the lockdown to needing to get back to work and wanting to avoid being ruined financially. I completely understand it.
    This country isnít meant to be shut down. People want to work, run their business, go to ballgames, movies etc. People are struggling financially and we have two parties who canít even pass a simple bill to add more money into the small business loan. I know people who got permanently laid off. Heís 61 and was 3 years away from retirement. Going to be hard for him to find a good paying job now.

    Thereís gotta be a way to open up counties that havenít been hit hard yet still protect the most vulnerable. Things like nursing homes and keep fans out of stadiums yet until this thing is pretty much gone.

    Thereís no need though to shut the entire country down, especially when a lot of states have very few cases.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewersfan255 View Post
    This country isnít meant to be shut down. People want to work, run their business, go to ballgames, movies etc. People are struggling financially and we have two parties who canít even pass a simple bill to add more money into the small business loan. I know people who got permanently laid off. Heís 61 and was 3 years away from retirement. Going to be hard for him to find a good paying job now.

    Thereís gotta be a way to open up counties that havenít been hit hard yet still protect the most vulnerable. Things like nursing homes and keep fans out of stadiums yet until this thing is pretty much gone.

    Thereís no need though to shut the entire country down, especially when a lot of states have very few cases.


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    What people want and what people need aren't generally one and the same. This is financially tough on most everyone but it's not something we can't bounce back from. Give me another half year or year of this **** if that's what it takes; I'm not trippin'.

    I'd rather take the measured and safe approach than just say "**** it" and hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    What people want and what people need aren't generally one and the same. This is financially tough on most everyone but it's not something we can't bounce back from. Give me another half year or year of this **** if that's what it takes; I'm not trippin'.

    I'd rather take the measured and safe approach than just say "**** it" and hope for the best.
    Please tell me where I said ď**** itĒ and hope for the best.

    Thereís ways you can keep the economy open and take precaution against this. Keep the elderly people at home (especially the retired people)

    Nursing homes only allow people in if theyíve been tested (15 min rapid testing) or temperatures taken. Allow a time period where they can go to the grocery store. Sometime in the morning.

    Protect the most vulnerable while not destroying the economy.

    Im not saying open up beaches or have concerts and packed stadiums. But thereís a reasonable approach you can take to protect the elderly and keep people working.


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