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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    And thats the primary difference between your religion and mine. We don't believe in such consequences. We're we (my father in law and I and others) netted out was that if there was a God and he could let something like the Holocaust happen, maybe it was because he wasnt around to stop it.

    Maybe we were worshipping nothing.

    And here we are.
    That what I don’t get. It seems like, as Jews, you’d understand the consequences of sin better than most. That you wouldn’t put the blame for the fall of man on God Himself.

    Do you think that Jews historically believed that there was no punishment? Or is that a more recent belief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Good point. But it does say to not forsake the assembling of believers. It hard to call Jesus your lord and then not follow his teaching.
    Come on now. One can follow his teaching without going to church every Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
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    That what I don’t get. It seems like, as Jews, you’d understand the consequences of sin better than most. That you wouldn’t put the blame for the fall of man on God Himself.

    Do you think that Jews historically believed that there was no punishment? Or is that a more recent belief?
    Not all Jews are like me. Many are devout in their belief. But when I asked an ultra Orthodox about his take on the Holocaust, he answered, quite honestly, "I don't know. We don't know."

    There is no fear of punishment. There is perhaps an inner disappointment with letting God down by not being the best Jew you can be which is akin tp being the best person you can be. That's what the reward is. Not freedom from punishment.

    As for me, it's not that I ever blamed God. I just saw no reason to believe he ever existed. My Father in Law said it differently though. He said, if there is a God, I don't like him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Good point. But it does say to not forsake the assembling of believers. It hard to call Jesus your lord and then not follow his teaching.
    Beg to differ. Millions upon millions call Jesus their Lord and Savior and forsake his teachings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Come on now. One can follow his teaching without going to church every Sunday.
    How much bible teaching have you studied? Or taught? I just want o know where to start in addressing your assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Beg to differ. Millions upon millions call Jesus their Lord and Savior and forsake his teachings.
    I think you and I would agree that those are NOT his followers then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
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    That what I don’t get. It seems like, as Jews, you’d understand the consequences of sin better than most. That you wouldn’t put the blame for the fall of man on God Himself.

    Do you think that Jews historically believed that there was no punishment? Or is that a more recent belief?
    Are you saying that “faithful” Jews don’t believe in hell? There’s quite a few verses in the OT that speak about it.

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    Fan, I’ve been reading more rabbinical teachings than I have ever before. It’s interesting from a Christian standpoint. I’ve always wondered what the Jews believed or what they taught prior to Christianity. Here is an interesting thought....

    Jews don’t care what you believe but what you do.

    Christians don't think what you do is as important as what you believe. But having said that, we would say that what you believe affects what you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    And thats the primary difference between your religion and mine. We don't believe in such consequences.
    Theres no concept of heaven and hell in your religion judaism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Theres no concept of heaven and hell in your religion judaism?

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    Correct. Those do not motivate us to follow the path of God. To us (Jews) faith runs much deeper than fear. It's based on a true love of God rather than fear. He's going to protect us (yeah, right) here on Earth, And most of all, we worship Himbecause our TRADITION tells us to do so. TRADITION!

    https://youtu.be/sWSoYCetG6A

    That's really what it's all about.

    Grammar: Jews, by the way, never write "God." It's always "G-d." Why? Because it is considered wrong to reproduce "God" in any way shape or form either in words or pictures. See, this text might get deleted at some point. That would would be like deleting "God." So you safeguard yourself by writing G-d." Of course, that G-d is no less an arbitrary representation of "God" than "God" goes over the head of many religious Jews. But whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Fan, I’ve been reading more rabbinical teachings than I have ever before. It’s interesting from a Christian standpoint. I’ve always wondered what the Jews believed or what they taught prior to Christianity. Here is an interesting thought....

    Jews don’t care what you believe but what you do.

    Christians don't think what you do is as important as what you believe. But having said that, we would say that what you believe affects what you do.
    I think you can say that of everyone, regardless of faith. It's based on the individuak how much their beliefs influence their actions.

    How one labels oneself -- Jew, Christian, Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, Atheist, whatever -- probably has little to do with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Are you saying that “faithful” Jews don’t believe in hell? There’s quite a few verses in the OT that speak about it.
    Yes, that's what I'm saying. Most observant Jews will tell you those references are allegorical, not literal. Remember, there's no Jesus. There's no rescue mechanism. There's no "Believe this or that will happen to you." The idea of the 613 Mitzvot isnt that if you miss one or two or 27 or however many, you'll spend eternity in a firery inferno. There's no standard that is spelled out the way it is in your book: Believe in me or you will burn.

    Be a good Jew. Honor the 10 commandments. Observe as many of the Mitzvot as you can. Try hard, try your best and serve God. You'll be fine. You are of the Chosen. Lol paraphrasing, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Yes, that's what I'm saying. Most observant Jews will tell you those references are allegorical, not literal. Remember, there's no Jesus. There's no rescue mechanism. There's no "Believe this or that will happen to you." The idea of the 613 Mitzvot isnt that if you miss one or two or 27 or however many, you'll spend eternity in a firery inferno. There's no standard that is spelled out the way it is in your book: Believe in me or you will burn.

    Be a good Jew. Honor the 10 commandments. Observe as many of the Mitzvot as you can. Try hard, try your best and serve God. You'll be fine. You are of the Chosen. Lol paraphrasing, of course.
    If that's the Jewish outlook then why did they ask for proof regarding god so much?

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    "God is Universal he is the Ruler Universal" - gangstarr (rip guru), robbin hood theory

    "don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver and gold" - bob marley, zion train

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    This would do it.

    https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/androi...842HmKPX68c81G

    But the virus would have to suddenly disappear by the end of the week. Non negotiable.
    I do not know what you meant by “the end of the week”, but it looks like time is running out — if it hasn’t already.

    And I had such high hopes for you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    If that's the Jewish outlook then why did they ask for proof regarding god so much?

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    Lol. I think you're confusing FoC the Jew with FoC the Atheist. But I can see how that might happen.

    On a serious note, Jews are encouraged to always ask questions, to be skeptical. It is part of scholarship, highly valued in Jewish culture.
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