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    Kyle Allen Traded to Redskins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    I think PJ Walker will be his backup.

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    Kyle Allen to the Redskins is actually a good move

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    Haskins benched for Kyle Allen by week 4? I kid I kid.

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    Both teams are nuts.

    Washington needs to draft Tua. Now they have schlock-a and schlock-b as their potential future QB's. For Washington, what good is a stud front 7 if you've got bad QBs?

    For Carolina, Bridgewater is a decent QB with a low ceiling. He can manage a good team like the Saints, but Carolina ain't the Saints. Not that Allen was necessarily the answer, but long term he seems to have a higher ceiling than Bridgewater. And Cam is a lot more talented than both of them. Why give up on Cam until you can see what he can do this year? Teddy will never be able to give you what a healthy Cam potentially could.

    These two teams have pretty much made themselves irrelevant with these moves moving forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    Both teams are nuts.

    Washington needs to draft Tua. Now they have schlock-a and schlock-b as their potential future QB's. For Washington, what good is a stud front 7 if you've got bad QBs?

    For Carolina, Bridgewater is a decent QB with a low ceiling. He can manage a good team like the Saints, but Carolina ain't the Saints. Not that Allen was necessarily the answer, but long term he seems to have a higher ceiling than Bridgewater. And Cam is a lot more talented than both of them. Why give up on Cam until you can see what he can do this year? Teddy will never be able to give you what a healthy Cam potentially could.

    These two teams have pretty much made themselves irrelevant with these moves moving forward
    Kyle Allen's ceiling is incredibly low. His arm strength isnt even NFL caliber so you can't make a lot of downfield throws with him. He also has no feel for pressure and can't operate the pocket so I doubt he ever develops enough to hit his extraordinarily low ceiling to begin with.

    I have no clue what the Panthers are planning with the Teddy move. I can only hope it means that they're planning to draft "their guy" and plan to use Bridgwater as a temporary starter. But it would've made more sense to see Cam through for one more year at a lesser contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    Both teams are nuts.

    Washington needs to draft Tua. Now they have schlock-a and schlock-b as their potential future QB's. For Washington, what good is a stud front 7 if you've got bad QBs?

    For Carolina, Bridgewater is a decent QB with a low ceiling. He can manage a good team like the Saints, but Carolina ain't the Saints. Not that Allen was necessarily the answer, but long term he seems to have a higher ceiling than Bridgewater. And Cam is a lot more talented than both of them. Why give up on Cam until you can see what he can do this year? Teddy will never be able to give you what a healthy Cam potentially could.

    These two teams have pretty much made themselves irrelevant with these moves moving forward
    Um no. Any decision aside from drafting Chase Young is the wrong decision.

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    Um no. Any decision aside from drafting Chase Young is the wrong decision.
    There are going to be a lot of low scoring games in Washington this year, if there is a season, if the Redskins draft Young.

    You don't get to draft #2 often and to pass up a franchise QB when you don't have one is usually a big mistake when you're drafting that high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    Both teams are nuts.

    Washington needs to draft Tua. Now they have schlock-a and schlock-b as their potential future QB's. For Washington, what good is a stud front 7 if you've got bad QBs?

    For Carolina, Bridgewater is a decent QB with a low ceiling. He can manage a good team like the Saints, but Carolina ain't the Saints. Not that Allen was necessarily the answer, but long term he seems to have a higher ceiling than Bridgewater. And Cam is a lot more talented than both of them. Why give up on Cam until you can see what he can do this year? Teddy will never be able to give you what a healthy Cam potentially could.

    These two teams have pretty much made themselves irrelevant with these moves moving forward
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    There are going to be a lot of low scoring games in Washington this year, if there is a season, if the Redskins draft Young.

    You don't get to draft #2 often and to pass up a franchise QB when you don't have one is usually a big mistake when you're drafting that high.
    That's normal these days


    Its also a big mistake to draft 1 that high when you don't know if he actually is a franchise QB
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    There are going to be a lot of low scoring games in Washington this year, if there is a season, if the Redskins draft Young.

    You don't get to draft #2 often and to pass up a franchise QB when you don't have one is usually a big mistake when you're drafting that high.
    You also don't pass on a generational talent at a premium position. Also, it's not a wise use of resources to waste a 1st round pick on a QB before even giving him a chance to see if he can be the guy. If Haskins doesn't take a step forward, then you move on after the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    You also don't pass on a generational talent at a premium position. Also, it's not a wise use of resources to waste a 1st round pick on a QB before even giving him a chance to see if he can be the guy. If Haskins doesn't take a step forward, then you move on after the season.
    All you have to look at is Arizona last year. They took Rosen #10 and then went for Murray #1 the following year. It worked out very well. Arizona could have taken Bosa, but as good as he is, Murray is light years more valuable

    The Washington situation is almost identical. You drafted a mediocre Haskins at #16 and now have a chance to take a potential stud QB at #2. If healthy, Tua is not far off from Murray. If Tua stays healthy, Washington will be kicking themselves forever for passing up on him no matter how good Young becomes.

    Just the fact that Rivera went out and got Kyle Allen should scare you about what Haskins is worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortforshort View Post
    All you have to look at is Arizona last year. They took Rosen #10 and then went for Murray #1 the following year. It worked out very well. Arizona could have taken Bosa, but as good as he is, Murray is light years more valuable

    The Washington situation is almost identical. You drafted a mediocre Haskins at #16 and now have a chance to take a potential stud QB at #2. If healthy, Tua is not far off from Murray. If Tua stays healthy, Washington will be kicking themselves forever for passing up on him no matter how good Young becomes.

    Just the fact that Rivera went out and got Kyle Allen should scare you about what Haskins is worth
    No to everything you just said.

    -Bosa is good, but he isn't Chase Young

    - Rosen started 13 games in his rookie season and was abysmal. Couple that with the fact that he really wasn't a fit to run Klingsbury's offensive system with the perfect QB to run his offense coming out in the same year and yeah that was an easy decision.

    -Haskins started 7 games for a lame duck interim head coach on team that had already quit. To say that Haskins entered a toxic situation would be an understatement. I'm also not convinced that Tua is a franchise QB. I mean he literally had one of the best offensive line's in college football and better weapons than any other QB in college football. You better be really sure that you have a franchise caliber QB on your hands if you pull the plug on Haskins already.

    What does Kyle Allen have to do with anything? Case Keenum is gone and they needed a backup QB. With no real off-season program teams have prioritized bringing in QB's that are familiar with their system for better of worse. Which isnt too far off from the norm, but it's of even greater importance this off-season. For what other reason would Brian Hoyer ever get a job again in the NFL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    No to everything you just said.

    -Bosa is good, but he isn't Chase Young

    - Rosen started 13 games in his rookie season and was abysmal. Couple that with the fact that he really wasn't a fit to run Klingsbury's offensive system with the perfect QB to run his offense coming out in the same year and yeah that was an easy decision.

    -Haskins started 7 games for a lame duck interim head coach on team that had already quit. To say that Haskins entered a toxic situation would be an understatement. I'm also not convinced that Tua is a franchise QB. I mean he literally had one of the best offensive line's in college football and better weapons than any other QB in college football. You better be really sure that you have a franchise caliber QB on your hands if you pull the plug on Haskins already.

    What does Kyle Allen have to do with anything? Case Keenum is gone and they needed a backup QB. With no real off-season program teams have prioritized bringing in QB's that are familiar with their system for better of worse. Which isnt too far off from the norm, but it's of even greater importance this off-season. For what other reason would Brian Hoyer ever get a job again in the NFL?
    I think Nick Bosa will have the better career out of the two players personally. Young is uber athletic which is great... But because of that, he mainly relied on his athleticism in college. Bosa used his hands much better and has a more refined technique overall.

    But Young's ceiling is much higher than Bosa's. If he has a good position coach and he learns the intricacy of the position, the sky is the limit for him.

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    Haskins and Young

    Quote Originally Posted by CasperX22 View Post
    No to everything you just said.

    -Bosa is good, but he isn't Chase Young

    - Rosen started 13 games in his rookie season and was abysmal. Couple that with the fact that he really wasn't a fit to run Klingsbury's offensive system with the perfect QB to run his offense coming out in the same year and yeah that was an easy decision.

    -Haskins started 7 games for a lame duck interim head coach on team that had already quit. To say that Haskins entered a toxic situation would be an understatement. I'm also not convinced that Tua is a franchise QB. I mean he literally had one of the best offensive line's in college football and better weapons than any other QB in college football. You better be really sure that you have a franchise caliber QB on your hands if you pull the plug on Haskins already.

    What does Kyle Allen have to do with anything? Case Keenum is gone and they needed a backup QB. With no real off-season program teams have prioritized bringing in QB's that are familiar with their system for better of worse. Which isnt too far off from the norm, but it's of even greater importance this off-season. For what other reason would Brian Hoyer ever get a job again in the NFL?
    You better be sure you have a franchise quarterback in Haskins if you don't draft Tua. You don't.

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