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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Clown, hate and vitriol are the calling cards of this president and the R's have been complicit! Not one has the balls or ovaries to stand up and be counted. Yet when the D's fight back and play by the same rules they are taken to task for the same behavior! Why must they always take the high road? Hypocrisy at it's finest. Kudos to Pelosi and AOC for speaking truth to power. They had a target on their back, placed by FOX, from the second Trump was elected.
    Misguided nobilty by Clown. Snap out of it Clown. Focus on tge self interest of the common American. The Reps dont care. Also Clown the division you see in media witb HBO and Fox is indicative of the divide between White College educated Americans who support Biden and watch HBO and non college educated whites who support Trump. Those non College educated whites who cheer that a reporter got shot by a rubber bullet. Same non educatee whites who do some nasty crap, and I am a white college educated Republican. Its ok to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    Forget the ACA, private corporations will argue it violates their rights to have to pay to insure their employees period for any health inaurance. There will be fights by individuals to stop paying FICA and Medicare taxes.
    Yes the logical extension goes in that direction, once the box is open. The immediate threat, Nov. 10th, is to the ACA.
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,Ē JFK 1963.
    ďThe greatest menace to freedom is an inert people.Ē - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
    "Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts."--- Einstein
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Yes the logical extension goes in that direction, once the box is open. The immediate threat, Nov. 10th, is to the ACA.
    For Clown, you want Democrats to love Republicans ? Ok thatís noble and I am a person who loves his wife a Democrat and have for two decades. Sure I know we all should be civil. However, research the goal of the Koch Broís and conservatives who have used prolife as their lure to get Christians to support conservative judges appointed to the SCOTUS and Federal courts. Itís not about abortion itís about ending anything the US has looked like prior to the new deal era. They want the US to be something prior to Teddy Roosevelt, no anti trusts laws also. Research the goal of the Koch Broís agenda. This is all very possible. So think of that when you want Dems to be nice. Graham, Mcconell Cruz, Trump donít give a crap about that. You want the Yankees to allow Houston to use cameras while the Yankees play fair ? That is the analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    For Clown, you want Democrats to love Republicans ? Ok thatís noble and I am a person who loves his wife a Democrat and have for two decades. Sure I know we all should be civil. However, research the goal of the Koch Broís and conservatives who have used prolife as their lure to get Christians to support conservative judges appointed to the SCOTUS and Federal courts. Itís not about abortion itís about ending anything the US has looked like prior to the new deal era. They want the US to be something prior to Teddy Roosevelt, no anti trusts laws also. Research the goal of the Koch Broís agenda. This is all very possible. So think of that when you want Dems to be nice. Graham, Mcconell Cruz, Trump donít give a crap about that. You want the Yankees to allow Houston to use cameras while the Yankees play fair ? That is the analogy.
    I wasn't clear.
    I'm talking about us with our neighbors, friends and families.
    As far as the politicians, l I do think they should display a level of diplomacy and class. I am tired of the ugly.

    Don't for an instance think I have any love for the like of the Koch *******s. They are horrid, as are the other names mentioned.

    I will respectfully disagree with your analogy.
    The Yankees should disrupt the camera feeds, tell people that since the Astros are doing it, they will too and get a great place to quietly hide their own.
    Don't scream and yell about the Astros cheating. No one cares except your own fans. Don't lie to your fans. Don't incite hate for something you also do.



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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    Misguided nobilty by Clown. Snap out of it Clown. Focus on tge self interest of the common American. The Reps dont care. Also Clown the division you see in media witb HBO and Fox is indicative of the divide between White College educated Americans who support Biden and watch HBO and non college educated whites who support Trump. Those non College educated whites who cheer that a reporter got shot by a rubber bullet. Same non educatee whites who do some nasty crap, and I am a white college educated Republican. Its ok to say that.
    I strongly disagree with the bolded. I know many, very well educated people of all colors who watch HBO and who support Trump. I also know a ton of not so smart Dems who watch the other stuff.

    I want you to consider the tone with which you are addressing me. I want Trump out. I think he is a bad man with bad intentions.
    You are telling me to "Snap out of it"? Snap out of what?



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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Clown, hate and vitriol are the calling cards of this president and the R's have been complicit! Not one has the balls or ovaries to stand up and be counted. Yet when the D's fight back and play by the same rules they are taken to task for the same behavior! Why must they always take the high road? Hypocrisy at it's finest. Kudos to Pelosi and AOC for speaking truth to power. They had a target on their back, placed by FOX, from the second Trump was elected.
    Doc, there is a ton of hypocrisy in this post.
    I don't like Trump. I want Trump out. He is an orange bag of crap. But to say Pelosi and AOC had targets on them but to leave out that CNN, HBO, Hollywood, MSNBC... had targets on Trump is extremely biased.


    The Ds aren't playing by the same rules. They still have no balls. They are divided as hell. A third are pissed Bernie didn't get the nod. A third wish Hilary ran again and the last third is just glad Biden is a white man.
    I see talking and posturing.

    Yes, I absolutely agree that the Far right has been a promoter of hate and vitriol. But to ignore that the far left is doing that when they also stake their foundation. on inclusiveness, tolerance and acceptance?

    To me, it's sounding a bit like
    "**** you. Everyone has the right to be heard and included. You shut up. I hate you until we win or you change your mind"


    People who vote for Trump are not enemies. They are often treated as such. But rarely have I seen a Trump person flat out bash someone who likes Biden. I have seen them disagree. I have seen them make fun of Biden but I haven't seen the judgement that comes from the other side.
    I absolutely fell into that trap. But no mas.

    I am not suggesting it's easy to love what you despise but the reason we despise things is because we acknowledge them as a part of ourselves.

    Both sides are acting like spoiled toddlers fighting over toys. If the Dems want to usher in a new era of kindness and inclusiveness, act like it.

    I think it can be done.


    If you look back at my posts, my fear is exactly what's happening and people are too caught up to actually see it.
    Trump has succeeded in dragging this down to his level. This is how he wins.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I strongly disagree with the bolded. I know many, very well educated people of all colors who watch HBO and who support Trump. I also know a ton of not so smart Dems who watch the other stuff.

    I want you to consider the tone with which you are addressing me. I want Trump out. I think he is a bad man with bad intentions.
    You are telling me to "Snap out of it"? Snap out of what?
    What Tone do you think I am addressing you in ? I am speaking to you in a friendly way. You made a series of arguments I think convey nobility on your part. But itís naive and misguided,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I wasn't clear.
    I'm talking about us with our neighbors, friends and families.
    As far as the politicians, l I do think they should display a level of diplomacy and class. I am tired of the ugly.

    Don't for an instance think I have any love for the like of the Koch *******s. They are horrid, as are the other names mentioned.

    I will respectfully disagree with your analogy.
    The Yankees should disrupt the camera feeds, tell people that since the Astros are doing it, they will too and get a great place to quietly hide their own.
    Don't scream and yell about the Astros cheating. No one cares except your own fans. Don't lie to your fans. Don't incite hate for something you also do.
    Like I said and will repeat, I have been a Republican most of my life. My wife, mother, and father werenít. My siblings arenít. I know first thing about respecting people of other positions. However, the single minded pursuit of the corporate agenda backing the RNC is not something to be taken lightly. The RNC thru Fox and OAN has been behind so much hate over the years. Some of you may not like AOC but she gets death threats because of the exaggerated agenda by Fox to scare its base. So I understand your desire for fair play and courtesy. But letís see if the RNC apparatus curbs itself first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Doc, there is a ton of hypocrisy in this post.
    I don't like Trump. I want Trump out. He is an orange bag of crap. But to say Pelosi and AOC had targets on them but to leave out that CNN, HBO, Hollywood, MSNBC... had targets on Trump is extremely biased.


    The Ds aren't playing by the same rules. They still have no balls. They are divided as hell. A third are pissed Bernie didn't get the nod. A third wish Hilary ran again and the last third is just glad Biden is a white man.
    I see talking and posturing.

    Yes, I absolutely agree that the Far right has been a promoter of hate and vitriol. But to ignore that the far left is doing that when they also stake their foundation. on inclusiveness, tolerance and acceptance?

    To me, it's sounding a bit like
    "**** you. Everyone has the right to be heard and included. You shut up. I hate you until we win or you change your mind"


    People who vote for Trump are not enemies. They are often treated as such. But rarely have I seen a Trump person flat out bash someone who likes Biden. I have seen them disagree. I have seen them make fun of Biden but I haven't seen the judgement that comes from the other side.
    I absolutely fell into that trap. But no mas.

    I am not suggesting it's easy to love what you despise but the reason we despise things is because we acknowledge them as a part of ourselves.

    Both sides are acting like spoiled toddlers fighting over toys. If the Dems want to usher in a new era of kindness and inclusiveness, act like it.

    I think it can be done.


    If you look back at my posts, my fear is exactly what's happening and people are too caught up to actually see it.
    Trump has succeeded in dragging this down to his level. This is how he wins.
    Fair enough. I agree the media's portrayal of Trump can appear overtly biased. Why? Because he gives them so much ammunition. But point taken. I admit my bias. I loathed the man and all he represents. I see nothing of value.

    The right demonized Pelosi long ago, AOC is their latest victim. She is an easy target. Young, female, Latino and a socialist! Imo they are scared to death of what she represents. She appeals to the young free minded. Imo the R's see the handwriting on the wall and are scared **** their Ivory tower is crumbling.

    My point the D's are not allowed to play by the same rules for all the reasons you mention in original post. When they get in the gutter with Trump they are vilified, when they try to stay above the fray they are accused of lacking any balls and determination and being idealistic hypocrites. Can't win. Case in point: "But to ignore that the far left is doing that when they also stake their foundation. on inclusiveness, tolerance and acceptance? " and "If the Dems want to usher in a new era of kindness and inclusiveness, act like it."

    Well....I must commend the company you keep. They are civil, reasonable people. Down here in Southern Jersey, the Biden bashing is ubiquitously doled out. There is an inherent assumption "all" support the orange guy, not the old, archaic, senile fool. (exact words heard at breakfast this weekend) Many swallow the Trump narrative whole.

    I agree the discourse has been dragged down by Trump's rhetoric. Again damned if you do damned if you don't. Should the D's bring a knife to a gun fight?

    Finally, I agree the D's are divided. They have always been a party of inclusion rather than exclusion. I prefer a party that accepts rather than rejects.
    "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,Ē JFK 1963.
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    I have a younger cousin who I influenced to become a Republican over the years who I love. He is now practically Sean Hannity on steroids. When I was a Republican I did not hate Dems. My wife and other Dems never hated Republicans. Right wingers feel they are morally stronger then Dems. Dems feel they are smarter because they feel Rep voters often vote against their best interests. On balance as a person who has been a member of both parties, I see the Dems point. Republicans, the rank and file are trained to vote against their own best interest. Republicans today look at Dems as Un American. But it goes further now, modern Republicans scorn and hate other Republicans who donít support Trump. You see division among Dems, but donít see *then*** show with REPUBLICANS. Not a harsh tone just a curious tone.
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    Ruth said to do it, so letís do it.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...ar-vacancy.amp

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    The first women on the Supreme Court got approved in 33 days during the Reagan regime.

    And Ruth Ginsberg only had 3 Republicans saying to no to her nomination.

    And Where is the rule that said a President canít nominate during an election year?


    And I donít care what was done in prior years.


    The Dems are just scared of being down 6-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Ruth said to do it, so letís do it.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...ar-vacancy.amp
    Hey mush, McConnel said it wasn't right back then and refused to do it. He said the new president should the one.
    McConnel said we shouldn't then. So we shouldn't now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    The first women on the Supreme Court got approved in 33 days during the Reagan regime.

    And Ruth Ginsberg only had 3 Republicans saying to no to her nomination.

    And Where is the rule that said a President canít nominate during an election year?


    And I donít care what was done in prior years.


    The Dems are just scared of being down 6-3.
    You are aware that if Biden wins and the dems take the senate, they can simply add seats and even it out?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    You are aware that if Biden wins and the dems take the senate, they can simply add seats and even it out?
    I donít think they can. But they can eliminate the filibuster.

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