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  1. #8926
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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    The 401K was much better under Obama. If the 401k was so great you know Trump would be mentioning it all the time, its pure math, and I have been argueing that for dozens of pages.
    Facts mean nothing to blind Trump supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Dr, Biden canít remember what happens 5 minutes ago and you thst for President?

    But in reality you want Harris calling the shots!

    The American we love and know will be gone if those two get in the WH!
    Sounds like that conservative news brainwashing has done a real number on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Dr, Biden canít remember what happens 5 minutes ago and you thst for President?

    But in reality you want Harris calling the shots!

    The American we love and know will be gone if those two get in the WH!
    Wrapping yourself in the flag? Good one. What is that page two or three in the Trump manual?

    I trust them both unequivocally more than the orange dotard. At the very least we will see a return to respect for the rule of law, protection of the environment, respect on the international stage and trust that a president is working for the people, all the people not just his family and friends. Hopefully we get an AG that isn't the presidents private attorney!

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    Mush, stop trolling. You aren't stupid.

    That's the equivalent of me saying, if Trump is elected, we will have a nazi logo on the flag and we become a dictatorship



    Ignorance is bliss

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Yeah sure you dont. Spout verbatim much of the garbage that comes daily from those guys and you dont watch.
    So assume I am not lying(which I am not) what does that say? If Hannity on his TV show talks about 2+2=4 and then the next day I say 2+2=4 without watching the show, what does that say?

    You can't debate the issue so you take ad hominem attacks. You can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    I am not blaming anyone, ultumstely my investments are my own. I do blame Trump for making the market much more volatile then it need be. Seems almost deliberate if you ask me so that people with insider information can buy or dump stocks.....
    I am 100% agreeing with you here. I can't prove any of it, but man does it seem like there is some sort of insider trading going on with the vast dips and rises.


    but the way I and millions of others have been allocating our funds suddently underperformed pre covid.
    Under performed? 60% increase in three years is under performing???


    And I am a person with a balanced allocation of assets.
    As am I, and I have recovered all loses from COVID driven losses. Not sure why you've not made money, but most people who take a laid back approach (traditional retirement activity) are making loads of money under this administration. Those that do more "day trading" would be the ones taking loses I would imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    I trust them both unequivocally more than the orange dotard.
    Let's analyze your TDS right here.

    At the very least we will see a return to respect for the rule of law,
    Those ain't conservatives destroying the cities of America.

    protection of the environment,
    Flint, MI, California Fires, the environment failure is on the left

    respect on the international stage
    1) Who cares what other nations think of us? Besides it seems to not hurt immigration one bit.


    and trust that a president is working for the people, all the people not just his family and friends.
    You mean the family that has lost billions since he decided to run?

    Hopefully we get an AG that isn't the presidents private attorney!
    Feel free to show your work

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    So assume I am not lying(which I am not) what does that say? If Hannity on his TV show talks about 2+2=4 and then the next day I say 2+2=4 without watching the show, what does that say?

    You can't debate the issue so you take ad hominem attacks. You can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag my friend.
    I dont believe that the ways that you get to 4 are any different. I've debated the issue enough with you. You echo whatever the Trump administration says, even when its based in narrative filled fact less rhetoric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    I am 100% agreeing with you here. I can't prove any of it, but man does it seem like there is some sort of insider trading going on with the vast dips and rises.



    Under performed? 60% increase in three years is under performing???




    As am I, and I have recovered all loses from COVID driven losses. Not sure why you've not made money, but most people who take a laid back approach (traditional retirement activity) are making loads of money under this administration. Those that do more "day trading" would be the ones taking loses I would imagine.
    What can I tell ya, if it performed as well as you claim, that would be Trumps mantra. Itís not, cause he canít, cause itís not that good. I have provided you arguments with analysis over several years, I can find you more. You just ignore it. What more can be said. I am comfortable with the numbers and my real life experience. I am not voting for him, and many former Trump voters agree with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    You can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag my friend.
    You're one to talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YANKSGUY View Post
    Wipe him clean with what, his lies and false truths?
    Name a President thst doesnít lie.

    Please, they all do, who cares, his lies do not affect us.
    My favorite Top 10 Rolling Stones songs
    1. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo ( Heartbreaker)
    2. Gimme Shelter
    3. Miss You
    4. Angie
    5. Sympathy for the Devil
    6. Anybody seen my Baby
    7. Paint it Black
    8. Rock and a Hard Place
    9. (I canít get no) Satisfaction
    10. Undercover of the Night


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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    I am 100% agreeing with you here. I can't prove any of it, but man does it seem like there is some sort of insider trading going on with the vast dips and rises.



    Under performed? 60% increase in three years is under performing???




    As am I, and I have recovered all loses from COVID driven losses. Not sure why you've not made money, but most people who take a laid back approach (traditional retirement activity) are making loads of money under this administration. Those that do more "day trading" would be the ones taking loses I would imagine.
    My investments have gone through the roof since 2016! These people do not know how to invest with their 401K

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Please, they all do, who cares, his lies do not affect us.
    Oof... And here lies the problem.

    His lies absolutely has an affect on people (I'd argue some number between 1 and 185,000 have been affected by the things Donald Trump has or has not done).

    You've gone full circle now, and accepting lies as an excuse for you to be correct... which is the sure fire tell that someone's lost their argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Let's analyze your TDS right here.
    Truth hurts. As per the Fuhrers order, when in doubt attack the messenger as "fake news" and TDS.

    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Those ain't conservatives destroying the cities of America.
    Are you certain? Is Kyle Rittenhouse associated with D's? Were the white supremicists in Charlottesville? How about the Neo-Nazi's who marched on DC?

    You have conveniently avoid the crux of the comment, ie Trump's blatant abuse of the rule of law. By one count, he is currently defying as many as 20 different efforts to examine his conduct. Not all of these involve executive privilege. The pattern of resistance is such that we should evaluate the presidentís actions against that background and, rightly, conclude that much of the presidentís resistance is undertaken in bad faith in an attempt to avoid, or at a minimum delay, scrutiny of his conduct.

    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    Flint, MI, California Fires, the environment failure is on the left
    Cali fires? Really. Flint is an environmental disaster. Trump has consistently and systematically eroded environmental protection at the behest of big oil in particular and multi nationals in general.

    Lets count the ways:

    1) The Trump administration announced that they will roll back some safety measures that regulate offshore drilling operations.

    2) Trump signed two executive orders that will smooth the path for companies to build oil and gas pipelines and limit the tools states have to block them.

    His order asserts that the president has the authority to ďissue, deny, or amendĒ any permits for pipelines or other infrastructure projects that cross international borders. Previously, that authority lay with the secretary of state. Most notably, this decision would apply to permitting decisions concerning TransCanada Corporation's controversial Keystone XL pipeline, a project that, if completed, could carry some 800,000 barrels of oil from Canada to the Gulf Coast each day.

    3) Trump issued a new permit for the Keystone XL Pipeline, after the Obama administration had delayed it. The pipeline would carry crude oil from the tar sands of western Canada to refineries on the U.S. Gulf Coast. Trump's previous approval had been blocked by a federal judge in Montana in November, who had said the government had not done enough to complete environmental reviews of the controversial project.

    4)Andrew Wheeler was made acting EPA director in July, he has issued a series of controversial environmental rollbacks. Wheeler is a former coal lobbyist who replaced Scott Pruitt, Trump's first pick for EPA administrator who resigned last July.

    5) Washington Post revealed that Trump quietly issued an executive order to increase logging of forests on federal land on December 21, a day before the government shutdown.

    Critics of the president's executive order also say the decision to log does little to address concerns from scientists that wildfires are more frequently being caused by climate change-induced conditions. Logging can also have other negative impacts, including disruption to wildlife habitat and erosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    You mean the family that has lost billions since he decided to run?
    Don't be fooled. Trump PLAYS a billionaire on TV. In reality he's worth much less. In fact much of his wealth is tied to leveraged deals. If not for Deutsche bank bailing him out, when he was a persona non grata that couldn't get loan from anyone, he wouldn't be in the position he is now.

    Trump has refused to do as his predecessors have done: sever ties to the companies or financial interests that may pose, or present the appearance of, a conflict of interest. By keeping his assets in a family-managed trust, which he can revoke at any time, Trump and his family are in the unique position to profit directly from his public service. Special interests in Washington have caught on. Those seeking to curry favor with Trump are not only donating to his reelection campaign but holding fundraisers and galas at his resorts, private clubs and hotels Ė the proceeds of which benefit him and his family. When will we see his Taxes? Will we ever see his taxes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    What can I tell ya, if it performed as well as you claim, that would be Trumps mantra. Itís not, cause he canít, cause itís not that good. I have provided you arguments with analysis over several years, I can find you more. You just ignore it. What more can be said. I am comfortable with the numbers and my real life experience. I am not voting for him, and many former Trump voters agree with me.
    What is funny is many of your so called former Trump supporters will still stay hidden in the closet and then vote for him.

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