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    As a person who voted for many Republicans, I am thrilled to find on You Tube all these Republicans against Trump. So many videos submitted by people thinking critically. Thank God

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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    As a person who voted for many Republicans, I am thrilled to find on You Tube all these Republicans against Trump. So many videos submitted by people thinking critically. Thank God
    I canít vote for that moron again.

    The problem is have no 2nd choice.

    So I may be forced to vote for Trump.

    The debates will steer me.
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    I said it before, I will say it again, Trump will not participate in debates if its not in front of crowds. If its just him, Biden, and moderators he will not participate. But again, only a Trump cult member can think of such a convoluted way of justfying for voting for that moron again. Biden has never displayed the mental illness, narcissism, lack of empathy, lack of common sense, corrupted morals that would make him less attractive to Trump. Not even mentioning Trumps subservience to Putin and betrayal of US forces. You want Trump to have an other 4 years so he can finish making the US his dictatorship and make us vulnerable to the next disaster we face ? What in the world can a debate show us ? Only a cult member trying to pretend he is objective can even muster such a facade of open mindedness. A man that ordered a crowd of peaceful people from a park so he can take a picture in front of a Church with a Bible he has never read, and who says the wall with Mexico has kept us safe from Covid increases, and talks about everything else but Russian bounties on US troops is far scarier then Biden. But again, Trump must have given your kids puppies and given you a blood transfusion to make you so loyal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    I said it before, I will say it again, Trump will not participate in debates if its not in front of crowds. If its just him, Biden, and moderators he will not participate. But again, only a Trump cult member can think of such a convoluted way of justfying for voting for that moron again. Biden has never displayed the mental illness, narcissism, lack of empathy, lack of common sense, corrupted morals that would make him less attractive to Trump. Not even mentioning Trumps subservience to Putin and betrayal of US forces. You want Trump to have an other 4 years so he can finish making the US his dictatorship and make us vulnerable to the next disaster we face ? What in the world can a debate show us ? Only a cult member trying to pretend he is objective can even muster such a facade of open mindedness. A man that ordered a crowd of peaceful people from a park so he can take a picture in front of a Church with a Bible he has never read, and who says the wall with Mexico has kept us safe from Covid increases, and talks about everything else but Russian bounties on US troops is far scarier then Biden. But again, Trump must have given your kids puppies and given you a blood transfusion to make you so loyal.
    Get off of the loyalty Bullspit!

    It is pretty simple. Iím not a fan of Bidenís far left policies. And then he copied Trumpís keep it in America plan. What is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Get off of the loyalty Bullspit!

    It is pretty simple. Iím not a fan of Bidenís far left policies. And then he copied Trumpís keep it in America plan. What is that?
    No, your a cultist. But I dont take you seriously anyway, so you shouldnt want to continue conversing with me about it. Everything I said to you months ago about being a Trump cult member is still true. That is on you. You over look the treachery, treason and corruptness of Trump to notice a speck of dust in Bidens eye. I get it and refer you back to what I said about how Cult members deal with criticism of their leaders, and you follow it to a t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    No, your a cultist. But I dont take you seriously anyway, so you shouldnt want to continue conversing with me about it. Everything I said to you months ago about being a Trump cult member is still true. That is on you. You over look the treachery, treason and corruptness of Trump to notice a speck of dust in Bidens eye. I get it and refer you back to what I said about how Cult members deal with criticism of their leaders, and you follow it to a t.
    I never even cared about a Trump prior to 2016

    The media is why I somewhat supported his policies. They are a disgrace!

    And the establishment of both controlling parties.

    The problem with your view of people is you just think people should go against him no matter what the opposition candidates are. Your views of him as a leader is your view and I respect that but just because anybody else doesnít agree with YOUR VIEWS of him or if anybody agree with a Spec of Trumpís views they are POS! Or in like a cult following.

    The opposition of Trump just thinks all people need to drop their views and just vote for Biden no matter what because they dislike anything about Trump. And if they donít they are POS!

    The economy is bouncing back. Biden canít use that anymore. Say what you want about Trump but he gets the Country roaring with regards to the economy.

    You would vote for Pee Wee Herman if he was the candidate vs Trump. That is your view. Anybody in your eyes is better than Trump and that is not how you vote. The lessor of two evils is a terrible way to vote.

    Again, my issue with Biden is not Joe Biden himself. But the so called moderate Joe Biden. My problem is he is just pandering to anything opposite of Trump and that is NOT REAL.

    He doesnít stand up for anything he really believes. It looks way too forced. The left side of the party has him under their thumb. So in reality you are not voting for Joe Biden. You are voting for the people like the squad that are controlling him.

    Trump can be terrible in any way you like to view him. But He doesnít get pushed around or if he does he calls them out and that I like.

    I do not agree with everything Trump says. But I sure as hell cannot watch a puppet master directing every move for Biden and then just vote for Biden because his wife says he is a moderate which is a bold face lie.

    If This was 1992 and Clinton was going against Trump I would be voting for Clinton. He was real in 1992. I was ok with Bill as President for 8 years. But Joe Biden?
    Last edited by rrzubnyy; 08-07-2020 at 10:03 AM.
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    2. Gimme Shelter
    3. Miss You
    4. Angie
    5. Sympathy for the Devil
    6. Anybody seen my Baby
    7. Paint it Black
    8. Rock and a Hard Place
    9. (I canít get no) Satisfaction
    10. Undercover of the Night


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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Get off of the loyalty Bullspit!

    It is pretty simple. Iím not a fan of Bidenís far left policies. And then he copied Trumpís keep it in America plan. What is that?
    Biden is far left? Or he has a few policies that are? Because many would say Biden is closer to republican than a liberal democrat. He is much close to the center than many in that party want.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Biden is far left? Or he has a few policies that are? Because many would say Biden is closer to republican than a liberal democrat. He is much close to the center than many in that party want.
    Bullseye! He's a moderate. Part of the problem the Bernie folks have endorsing him, he's too middle of the road. They fear his conservative tendency will thwart many of their initiatives that tend to lean further left of center, eg Universal healthcare, free college for all, expanded SS, elimination of medical debt, ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    I never even cared about a Trump prior to 2016

    The media is why I somewhat supported his policies. They are a disgrace!

    And the establishment of both controlling parties.

    The problem with your view of people is you just think people should go against him no matter what the opposition candidates are. Your views of him as a leader is your view and I respect that but just because anybody else doesnít agree with YOUR VIEWS of him or if anybody agree with a Spec of Trumpís views they are POS! Or in like a cult following.

    The opposition of Trump just thinks all people need to drop their views and just vote for Biden no matter what because they dislike anything about Trump. And if they donít they are POS!

    The economy is bouncing back. Biden canít use that anymore. Say what you want about Trump but he gets the Country roaring with regards to the economy.

    You would vote for Pee Wee Herman if he was the candidate vs Trump. That is your view. Anybody in your eyes is better than Trump and that is not how you vote. The lessor of two evils is a terrible way to vote.

    Again, my issue with Biden is not Joe Biden himself. But the so called moderate Joe Biden. My problem is he is just pandering to anything opposite of Trump and that is NOT REAL.

    He doesnít stand up for anything he really believes. It looks way too forced. The left side of the party has him under their thumb. So in reality you are not voting for Joe Biden. You are voting for the people like the squad that are controlling him.

    Trump can be terrible in any way you like to view him. But He doesnít get pushed around or if he does he calls them out and that I like.

    I do not agree with everything Trump says. But I sure as hell cannot watch a puppet master directing every move for Biden and then just vote for Biden because his wife says he is a moderate which is a bold face lie.

    If This was 1992 and Clinton was going against Trump I would be voting for Clinton. He was real in 1992. I was ok with Bill as President for 8 years. But Joe Biden?
    Deal with your lack of intellectual honesty, cognitive dissonance, and lack of integrity any way you want. Your mental compartmentalizarion is truely sad, sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Bullseye! He's a moderate. Part of the problem the Bernie folks have endorsing him, he's too middle of the road. They fear his conservative tendency will thwart many of their initiatives that tend to lean further left of center, eg Universal healthcare, free college for all, expanded SS, elimination of medical debt, ect.


    Again, he is a moderate but is CONTROLLED by the squad and the far left views and if you think he is staying close to the center then you are misled or donít care. Actually you donít care because he is not Donald Trump.


    Ok, answer these questions Dr

    If far left Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was going against Trump who would you vote for?

    What about Talib vs Trump?

    What about Pee Wee Herman vs Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Again, he is a moderate but is CONTROLLED by the squad and the far left views and if you think he is staying close to the center then you are misled or donít care. Actually you donít care because he is not Donald Trump.


    Ok, answer these questions Dr

    If far left Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was going against Trump who would you vote for?

    What about Talib vs Trump?

    What about Pee Wee Herman vs Trump?
    Funny the selective argumeny made by the cult member. So the Democratic party has people on the left, while most of the party is moderate. But you cult members conditoned to fear AOC already bring her up like you been trained to hate Pelosi. AOC has been smart and reasoned when I have heard her speak. But more importanrly you ignore the extreme right wing of the RNC that controls Trump. Like the kind of Reoublican dopes like the Texas congressman who thinks wearing a mask got him Covid. I bet AOC would have told Putin to stop killing our troops, how about that. While a conservative wouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Again, he is a moderate but is CONTROLLED by the squad and the far left views and if you think he is staying close to the center then you are misled or donít care. Actually you donít care because he is not Donald Trump.


    Ok, answer these questions Dr

    If far left Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was going against Trump who would you vote for?

    What about Talib vs Trump?

    What about Pee Wee Herman vs Trump?
    Biden is not controlled by the far left any more than Trump is controlled by a centrist. Biden will pander to them to get their vote and that's it. He will implement any program he feels worthwhile from their agenda but he isn't controlled by them. That's why he didn't run last time. His own party thought hm to wild.

    1-Trump. AOC will never be presidential material. She will be great in the senate she's not POTUS
    (Change the woman to Susan rice, Kamal Harris, Stacy Abrams and I choose them)
    2-Talib. He's a great rapper, businessman and activist. I think he and Mos Def would be a welcome change in the White House. (Unless you perhaps meant Tlaib? And if you did, you should learn to spell the names of those you disdain)
    3-Pewee- He got caught jerking off in a porn theatre. He apologized and paid his dues. Trump grabs women by the ***** and sexually assaults them and has yet to apologize or pay any consequence.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Biden is not controlled by the far left any more than Trump is controlled by a centrist. Biden will pander to them to get their vote and that's it. He will implement any program he feels worthwhile from their agenda but he isn't controlled by them. That's why he didn't run last time. His own party thought hm to wild.

    1-Trump. AOC will never be presidential material. She will be great in the senate she's not POTUS
    (Change the woman to Susan rice, Kamal Harris, Stacy Abrams and I choose them)
    2-Talib. He's a great rapper, businessman and activist. I think he and Mos Def would be a welcome change in the White House. (Unless you perhaps meant Tlaib? And if you did, you should learn to spell the names of those you disdain)
    3-Pewee- He got caught jerking off in a porn theatre. He apologized and paid his dues. Trump grabs women by the ***** and sexually assaults them and has yet to apologize or pay any consequence.
    I live in the Bronx, AOC is not my rep, but does represent the neighborhood, which begins one block from me. Is she extreme, not really. She represents a ideology shared by millions on some topics and not by others. Heck Conservativres send representstives that deny evolution, deny that gays are decemt people, and believe that guns keep you safer then masks in a pandemic. AOC from the moment she won her primary became a subject on Fox News and OAN to attack. She is a beautiful smart progressive Latina and I guess that scares certain Right wingers. AOC is a progreesive and in the old days a progressive voice in the congress led to things like Social Security and 40 hour work weeks, and paid overtime, and restriction on child labor. AOC will advocate for lots of progressive ideals and will make her arguments and present the ideas. Then what is supposed to happen is the conservatives are supposed to bring their arguments and the two sides work together towards the middle. Yet, today my former party has no ideas only slogans. They only know how to say " No ". They only know how to say the solution for everything is a tax cut and thoughts and prayers. The RNC only knows how to tell people " Covid is a hoax, and fake news, climate change is a hoax and fake news,Russian bounties are a hoax and fake news ". The RNC had how many years to write a better health care plan and didnt. What they almost passed was horrible. Which brings me to my main point and was dispalys the Trump/Fox news cult. Mccain voted againgst that health bill and was spoken of like a dog. Romney speaks againgst the President is spoken about like a dog. Those Republicans who speak againgst the leader are demonized, ofcourse evil depictions of Democrats like Clinton, Pelosi and now AOC and other woman of color are force fed to their listeners to program them to not know what they really believe but just to manipulate their dupes. Its pretty much standard procedure and dupes like Posada and RRZ swallow it whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    I never even cared about a Trump prior to 2016

    The media is why I somewhat supported his policies. They are a disgrace!

    And the establishment of both controlling parties.

    The problem with your view of people is you just think people should go against him no matter what the opposition candidates are. Your views of him as a leader is your view and I respect that but just because anybody else doesnít agree with YOUR VIEWS of him or if anybody agree with a Spec of Trumpís views they are POS! Or in like a cult following.

    The opposition of Trump just thinks all people need to drop their views and just vote for Biden no matter what because they dislike anything about Trump. And if they donít they are POS!

    The economy is bouncing back. Biden canít use that anymore. Say what you want about Trump but he gets the Country roaring with regards to the economy.

    You would vote for Pee Wee Herman if he was the candidate vs Trump. That is your view. Anybody in your eyes is better than Trump and that is not how you vote. The lessor of two evils is a terrible way to vote.

    Again, my issue with Biden is not Joe Biden himself. But the so called moderate Joe Biden. My problem is he is just pandering to anything opposite of Trump and that is NOT REAL.

    He doesnít stand up for anything he really believes. It looks way too forced. The left side of the party has him under their thumb. So in reality you are not voting for Joe Biden. You are voting for the people like the squad that are controlling him.

    Trump can be terrible in any way you like to view him. But He doesnít get pushed around or if he does he calls them out and that I like.

    I do not agree with everything Trump says. But I sure as hell cannot watch a puppet master directing every move for Biden and then just vote for Biden because his wife says he is a moderate which is a bold face lie.

    If This was 1992 and Clinton was going against Trump I would be voting for Clinton. He was real in 1992. I was ok with Bill as President for 8 years. But Joe Biden?
    People like me, dont fall for the three card monty scam like you have. People like me learned that I dont need to be terrified of an unknown after being twisted into be afraid of voices Fox news doesnt want me to like while ignoring the corruptuon, treachery, dereliction of duty, and irresponsabality of my actual president. Fox and Trump, who I voted for, said imagine if " Hilary wins and her private server will lead to foreign interference but wont say boo when the President of the US, sells out the Kurds to the Turks, makes political concessions to Putin and does nothing for Russian bounties. The economy didnt do anything for me, the Trump economy was a sugar high, of now modern RNC dogma, cut taxes and blow up the deficit, live large on the credit card and as soon as we are out of office the bill will land at whatever Dem is in office. Lets face facts Trump got your allegiance when he said Mexicans are rapists and I assume some are good people.

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    During the past tax plan my wife and I got back like 1k from NYS and owed the federal 1k. With the new RNC Trump tax plan we get back 1k from NYS and owe the Feds 6k. We are both earning about 100-110 k per year, own a home of about 350k, pay our taxes and support our college student daughter. We are the middle class American couple tjhe RNC always said they represented. But the economy has us more ****ed then ever with Trumps tax plan that benefits his ultra rich friends, and those non college educated whites who vote for him.
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