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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    What a shock that you see no difference between these two types of gatherings.
    The only difference is the reason behind the gatherings . They are still both Large gatherings of people during a pandemic .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    The only difference is the reason behind the gatherings . They are still both Large gatherings of people during a pandemic .
    One is a good reason to gather and is outdoors, the other is a superfluous reason to gather and indoors. You won't catch me at either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    One is a good reason to gather and is outdoors, the other is a superfluous reason to gather and indoors. You won't catch me at either.
    I think both are good reasons to gather and both have the right to peacefully gather . And unlike the protests , the people at the trump rally won’t be there all day and night since there will be curfews . And you won’t catch me at either as well .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Well one reason trump made that tweet is because he is going to be there and there will be heightened security there so he wants to keep everyone safe . And be real if there are going to be a lot of people protesting that rally you can’t expect there to be peace . And all it takes is one or two unstable people in a large crowd , to ruin it for everyone else .
    If he wanted to keep everyone safe, he wouldn't be holding a rally there in the first place. As for the rest of your post, have you not been paying attention to the last 2 weeks of peaceful protesting in cities across America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Noone is denying protests as a factor. I said as much several pages back. But there are many factors contributing to the spike. You and Nick seem convinced and adamant it was only the result of protests.

    Did Fla have protests across the state? Did he open beaches across the state? Bars, clubs, restaurants?
    Fits their agenda that its a "left" caused problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    If he wanted to keep everyone safe, he wouldn't be holding a rally there in the first place. As for the rest of your post, have you not been paying attention to the last 2 weeks of peaceful protesting in cities across America?
    Denying the right for some people to peacefully gather because you don’t agree with them is unconstitutional and against the law . That is why trump hasn’t canceled the rally and he shouldn’t have to because of a very few violent individuals . And what do the peaceful protests in the rest of America have to do with the trump rally in Tulsa ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Denying the right for some people to peacefully gather because you don’t agree with them is unconstitutional and against the law . That is why trump hasn’t canceled the rally and he shouldn’t have to because of a very few violent individuals . And what do the peaceful protests in the rest of America have to do with the trump rally in Tulsa ?
    Spin it Jorge, spin it. As is your propensity, you twist things to suit your personal perspective.

    Trump is endangering lives for his own personal ego gratification. It's been a few months his narcissistic supply needs refueling. Does he care? Not in the least. He's taken a beating in the press and even some in his own party have turned on him, he needs the adulation of his adoring, but deluded base.

    I expect the worst in Tulsa. Trump has already sent out his dog whistle call to arms. Militia members are armed and stand ready to defend their white whale. This isn't America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Spin it Jorge, spin it. As is your propensity, you twist things to suit your personal perspective.

    Trump is endangering lives for his own personal ego gratification. It's been a few months his narcissistic supply needs refueling. Does he care? Not in the least. He's taken a beating in the press and even some in his own party have turned on him, he needs the adulation of his adoring, but deluded base.

    I expect the worst in Tulsa. Trump has already sent out his dog whistle call to arms. Militia members are armed and stand ready to defend their white whale. This isn't America.
    So when large groups of people get together to support the president it is endangering lives and shouldn't be allowed but when large groups of people protest and some of them riot and loot It isn’t endangering lives and It is fine? Why is it ok for one side of the political isle to get together but not the other ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    Denying the right for some people to peacefully gather because you don’t agree with them is unconstitutional and against the law . That is why trump hasn’t canceled the rally and he shouldn’t have to because of a very few violent individuals . And what do the peaceful protests in the rest of America have to do with the trump rally in Tulsa ?
    Tell that to the president who apparently doesn't want protestors in Tulsa.

    You were the one who said to expect protestors not to be peaceful in Tulsa. Not me. Or did you forget your own words? There's enough evidence of peaceful protesting in America over the last 2 weeks to suggest that people can absolutely take a stance for BLM and against Trump in a nonviolent manner.

    Like drt said, Trump is doing the rally for his own narcissism. If he gave a **** about safety, he wouldn't be holding a rally in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Tell that to the president who apparently doesn't want protestors in Tulsa.

    You were the one who said to expect protestors not to be peaceful in Tulsa. Not me. Or did you forget your own words? There's enough evidence of peaceful protesting in America over the last 2 weeks to suggest that people can absolutely take a stance for BLM and against Trump in a nonviolent manner.

    Like drt said, Trump is doing the rally for his own narcissism. If he gave a **** about safety, he wouldn't be holding a rally in the first place.
    And there is evidence that not all of the protests of the last few weeks were peaceful . In fact there is evidence that a few of those protests were far from peaceful . But despite those few rioters and looters , you never saw me saying those protests shouldn’t have been held . And again not all the protestors of the last few weeks were peaceful so why should I expect different in Tulsa ? If Biden were smart he would hold his own rallies instead of staying mostly holed up in his mansion away from the people he claims he represents .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    So when large groups of people get together to support the president it is endangering lives and shouldn't be allowed but when large groups of people protest and some of them riot and loot It isn’t endangering lives and It is fine? Why is it ok for one side of the political isle to get together but not the other ?
    You are so predictable.

    They are free to do as they (MAGA) please. However I hold him responsible for the cavalier self serving interests that motivate it. He is directly responsible for putting people in harms way. It is a reckless, selfish fiasco to feed his ego. Many have pleaded with him to reconsider given the likelihood of mass infection. He ignored them, even respected members of his own party.


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    Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!
    9:34 AM - Jun 19, 2020

    Please explain what he is suggesting? This couldn't be interpreted as the POTUS threatening peaceful protesters, could it? He isn't inciting violence against the people, is he? Can we expect armed militia and the national guard keeping peace? I guess he must have consulted with his buddies Putin and Kim Jong-un.
    Last edited by drt1010; 06-19-2020 at 05:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    You are so predictable.

    They are free to do as they please. However I hold him responsible for the cavalier self serving interests that motivate it. He is directly responsible for putting people in harms way. It is a reckless, selfish fiasco to feed his ego. Many have pleaded with him to reconsider given the likelihood of mass infection. He ignored them, even respected members of his own party.


    Donald J. Trump

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    Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!
    9:34 AM - Jun 19, 2020

    Please explain what he is suggesting? This couldn't be interpreted as the POTUS threatening the people, could it? He isn't inciting violence, is he? Can we expect armed militia and the national guard keeping peace? I guess he must have consulted with his buddies Putin and Kim Jong-un.
    I see it as a president trying to protect everyone from possible violence and warning those who intend to try to disrupt the rally to not go . If anything happens to anyone at that rally , I will hold the people who are trying to deny the right of their fellow citizens to gather together and support the president responsible for it . Now common sense should tell you that anywhere the president is at , will have heightened security . So anyone who is going there to protest there is in my opinion responsible for their own lives and should do their best to be peaceful or maybe even stay away .
    Last edited by Posada20; 06-19-2020 at 05:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    I see it as a president trying to protect everyone from possible violence and warning those who intend to try to disrupt the rally to not go . If anything happens to anyone at that rally , I will hold the people who are trying to deny the right of their fellow citizens to gather together and support the president responsible for it .
    Protecting? What about peaceful protesters (99.9%) that he threatens?

    You know as well as I this was a dog whistle intended for a very specific audience. Git yer guns folks. This ain't NYC we know how to deal with them troublemakers down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Protecting? What about peaceful protesters (99.9%) that he threatens?

    You know as well as I this was a dog whistle intended for a very specific audience. Git yer guns folks. This ain't NYC we know how to deal with them ****ers down here.
    All I can say to that post is , wow . I am done discussing this topic with you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Posada20 View Post
    And there is evidence that not all of the protests of the last few weeks were peaceful . In fact there is evidence that a few of those protests were far from peaceful . But despite those few rioters and looters , you never saw me saying those protests shouldn’t have been held . And again not all the protestors of the last few weeks were peaceful so why should I expect different in Tulsa ? If Biden were smart he would hold his own rallies instead of staying mostly holed up in his mansion away from the people he claims he represents .
    That's not the case but I can understand you believe that because that is what the media reports on. NYC protests have been non violent for quite a while now and there are protests going on in multiple boroughs in multiple neighborhoods. I know because i see them when i am out and about and i have friends who have protested in Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, etc.

    Trump nor Biden should be holding any rallies. Its not necessary. Your base is your base. Its just putting people's lives in danger. Trump only does it to feed his ego and turn his twitter ******** into sound bytes.

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