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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Grunge got hijacked and over marketed. But I think the logical progression of Nirvana would have been along the lines of the Foo Fighters.

    Hole was also amazing. Like her or not, Courtney Love has a fantastic grunge voice.

    Other really good bands are Wilco, uncle Tupelo, Flaming lips, Flaming Groovies, The strokes, the hives...

    I'm telling you, check out Mark Lannegan.
    I fully disagree on the logical progression of Nirvana being the Foo Fighters. Foo Fighters are super stale, safe, and predictable. Whether Cobain went solo or continued on with Nirvana, I think his contributions to music would be much more interesting and challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Started with Yardbirds, Stones, Beatles, Kinks, Who, Led Zep, Doors, Yes, Cream, King Crimson, T Rex, Hendrix, Bowie.

    Currently listening to: Yardbirds, Stones, Beatles, Kinks, Who, Led Zep, Doors, Yes, Cream, King Crimson, T Rex, Hendrix, Bowie.

    Today much more Jazz and Blues.
    I can't believe I forgot the kinks. I have tons of their stuff. They have incredible music and unreal lyrics. I think the Davies boys have a better sense of humor than the Beatles or stones.
    I actually see a ton of similarities between the kinks and floyd in the lyrical content and angst.
    I think the only reason the kinks didn't erupt the way the Beatles and stones did is because they were a garage sound. They were all amazing musicians but they were a bit simpler in structure. There are exceptions of course. They have songs that have a different complexity but it wasn't their norm.

    The other name I can't believe I forgot is my go to, Nick Cave.
    He has perhaps the funniest, most twisted but descriptive song lyric I've ever hear.

    In his version of the old standard, "Stagger Lee". He paints a much darker and intense picture of the character as he shoots his way into a bar and is about to go to bed with a hooker and in explaining how nasty he is

    "I'm a bad mother ****er don't you know. I'd crawl over 50 good ******* just to get to one fat boys azzhole"



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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    I fully disagree on the logical progression of Nirvana being the Foo Fighters. Foo Fighters are super stale, safe, and predictable. Whether Cobain went solo or continued on with Nirvana, I think his contributions to music would be much more interesting and challenging.
    Fair point. To be clear, I don't think Foo fighters would sound quite the same with Cobaine singing and writing.
    Much like the Chili peppers have evolved from essentially what was a punk band to who they are now, I think Nirv an would have become more refined.
    I think Grohl is a phenomenal song writer. Remember, he co-wrote Smells like teen spirit, he wrote heart shaped box and quite a few other nirvana songs.
    Imagine Kurt's voice on a song like :"Learning to fly"

    Then again , they may have busted up and Cobaine go the way of Lannegan.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Cherry picking once again. You only show us the negative never anything positive. You are part of the problem with regards with the news media.
    Please show me the positive! I beg you.

    Not cherry picking imo. Showing the depravity some have sunk to. It disgusts me. Are your civil liberties violated to the extent that you resort to lethal force? The guy was doing his job and enforcing a state mandate, he did not deserve to die.

    Very fine people! The dotard sanctions this shite with his nationalistic rhetoric and constant dog whistle to the extreme right white. He is complicit. We don't need overweight, para military a-holes brandishing assault rifles taking matters into their own hands! The guy was just doing his F***IN job! Call it cherry picking Nick, but it's the ugly underbelly your boy Trump inspires. He kindles the racist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic rage many harbor. He has allowed the racists et al to come out of the closet, to spew their hatred without fear of recrimination or sanction.

    Very fine people, yeah Nick very fine people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Did you know Eric Clapton is who's playing the While My Guitar Gently Weeps solo on the White Album? Fun fact.
    Do you know Clapton is the guitar lead on "Pros and Cons of hitchhiking"?

    Or that Savoy Truffle is all about Clapton and Harrison eating a box of chocolates?

    And lastly, the George is the guitar player on "Badge"?

    I saw digable planets live in New Orleans at Tipatinas in the early 90s. They rolled with a full band and the samples were live. It was fantastic. Ladybug was super hot.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Fair point. To be clear, I don't think Foo fighters would sound quite the same with Cobaine singing and writing.
    Much like the Chili peppers have evolved from essentially what was a punk band to who they are now, I think Nirv an would have become more refined.
    I think Grohl is a phenomenal song writer. Remember, he co-wrote Smells like teen spirit, he wrote heart shaped box and quite a few other nirvana songs.
    Imagine Kurt's voice on a song like :"Learning to fly"

    Then again , they may have busted up and Cobaine go the way of Lannegan.
    Grohl is a pretty good songwriter but I wouldn't give him credit for anything other than the drums on any Nirvana songs outside of Scentless Apprentice (he wrote the main riff on guitar) and Marigold (which he wrote, sang, and played guitar on). He definitely had no writing credits on Heart-Shaped Box. Everlong is a killer song though.

    I think Cobain going the Lanegan route is more likely. Speaking of, have you heard the songs those two recorded together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    Do you know Clapton is the guitar lead on "Pros and Cons of hitchhiking"?

    Or that Savoy Truffle is all about Clapton and Harrison eating a box of chocolates?

    And lastly, the George is the guitar player on "Badge"?

    I saw digable planets live in New Orleans at Tipatinas in the early 90s. They rolled with a full band and the samples were live. It was fantastic. Ladybug was super hot.
    I did not know that Clapton and Harrison trivia (despite reading Clapton's autobiography).

    I saw Digable at a little club in Oakland a few years ago. Live band and surprisingly really good show for an act that's basically been on hiatus for well over a decade. Ladybug has still got it as well.

    Butterfly has been releasing albums under the Shabazz Palaces moniker for years now. Very experimental and heady but pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    Nobody said YOU canít live in a glass bubble.

    Please do so and donít worry what people want to do with THEIR lives.
    Tell this to yanksguy.

    Speaking of yanksguy, I hope he's doing well. Haven't heard from him since he told us all he was diagnosed 2 weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YANKSGUY View Post
    LOL!!!! Don't know how he survived this long without a haircut. I'm very proud of him being able to keep it together as he has. I can't imagine the pain he's been going through, and then not being able to go to the car wash on top of it. I'm so glad he seems to be doing okay. Stay strong, Nicky.
    I spoke too soon. Here you are today. Hope you're doing well!

    Not only has mush not been able to get his haircut, but the damn $25/month car wash has been closed too! Absolute BS! No idea how he's managed to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    I fully disagree on the logical progression of Nirvana being the Foo Fighters. Foo Fighters are super stale, safe, and predictable. Whether Cobain went solo or continued on with Nirvana, I think his contributions to music would be much more interesting and challenging.
    The first Foo Fighters album sounded too much like Nirvana. I get it that is all Dave Grohl knew at that time. I donít think Cobain keeps the same 90s sound if he was still making music in 2020.

    IMO, he would have went down a different path than what Foo Fighters did. Musically, he hated commercialism. The album NEVERMIND had great sounding songs prior to them being polished up by Butch Vig. If you listen to some of those songs in their raw version they sounded like a Cobain sounding song. Cobain actually disliked NEVERMIND and the way his songs came out musically. They were too polished and all safe sounding for radio play. Even SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT sounded terrific when they played it live before it was actually recorded for NEVERMIND. That song was like 5 years old prior to the video being released on MTV back I think in 1991ish.

    I think around 2000 Cobain would have changed their sound a little much like the Beatles did with and after the Revolver album. And by 2020? Still grunge aspects but I think much different than in the 90s. Cobain hated the same type of music........

    Cobain also disliked Pearl Jam...and couldnít stand Stone Temple Pilots.

    I read a lot of books about him in the late 90s.....he was guy who had a great vision but heroin got in the way.
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    My favorite Top 10 Rolling Stones songs
    1. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo ( Heartbreaker)
    2. Gimme Shelter
    3. Miss You
    4. Angie
    5. Sympathy for the Devil
    6. Anybody seen my Baby
    7. Paint it Black
    8. Rock and a Hard Place
    9. (I canít get no) Satisfaction
    10. Undercover of the Night


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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Grohl is a pretty good songwriter but I wouldn't give him credit for anything other than the drums on any Nirvana songs outside of Scentless Apprentice (he wrote the main riff on guitar) and Marigold (which he wrote, sang, and played guitar on). He definitely had no writing credits on Heart-Shaped Box. Everlong is a killer song though.

    I think Cobain going the Lanegan route is more likely. Speaking of, have you heard the songs those two recorded together?
    I did not know they did songs together. I will check it out!

    Have you heard Mad River? Layne Staley and Lannegan. There are some great songs

    But even better is the Gutter Twins, Lannegan and Greg Dulli (Afghan whigs.). They have a couple albums.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rrzubnyy View Post
    The first Foo Fighters album sounded too much like Nirvana. I get it that is all Dave Grohl knew at that time. I donít think Cobain keeps the same 90s sound if he was still making music in 2020.
    The first two Foo albums were the only ones I cared much for. Very cool thing about the first Foo album is that Grohl played every instrument himself on it. Found out just recently that he actually recorded some of that album and played the band's first gig up in Humboldt County, CA of all places.

    IMO, he would have went down a different path than what Foo Fighters did. Musically, he hated commercialism. The album NEVERMIND had great sounding songs prior to them being polished up by Butch Vig. If you listen to some of those songs in their raw version they sounded like a Cobain sounding song. Cobain actually disliked NEVERMIND and the way his songs came out musically. They were too polished and all safe sounding for radio play. Even SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT sounded terrific when they played it live before it was actually recorded for NEVERMIND. That song was like 5 years old prior to the video being released on MTV back I think in 1991ish.
    Nah, SLTS wasn't nearly that old at the time it dropped on MTV. It was written between 1990 and 1991. I was an absolute Nirvana nut when I first got in to music and playing guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I did not know they did songs together. I will check it out!

    Have you heard Mad River? Layne Staley and Lannegan. There are some great songs

    But even better is the Gutter Twins, Lannegan and Greg Dulli (Afghan whigs.). They have a couple albums.
    These are the Lanegan/Cobain songs I referred to. I forget if there was more or not.



    Mad Season you mean? Yeah, that's a very solid album that I kinda forgot about and then re-discovered maybe 10-12 years ago when my girlfriend at the time was obsessed with the song Long Gone Day. Lanegan wasn't part of the band but he did contribute some guest vocals, including on Long Gone Day.

    I def have at least one of those Gutter Twins albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Mad Season you mean? Yeah, that's a very solid album that I kinda forgot about and then re-discovered maybe 10-12 years ago when my girlfriend at the time was obsessed with the song Long Gone Day. Lanegan wasn't part of the band but he did contribute some guest vocals, including on Long Gone Day.

    I def have at least one of those Gutter Twins albums.
    Thanks!

    Lol. Yes. Mad Season. Mad river is a ski mountain.
    Long Gone Days is one of my favorite songs. I love how they split it and you get to hear both sing but that chorus has Staley's creepy high range along with Lannegan's low gravel.

    Are you a fan of Nick Cave?



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    Quote Originally Posted by NJBASEBALL22 View Post
    Go see what Sweden is doing with the herd immunity. Not that we should do it but it has been just as effective.

    And the country will be open long before a vaccine (unless one comes out like next week). U canít keep ppl looked up in their houses. Donít leave YOUR house if youíre worried


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    Sweden's COVID-19 game plan is not without it's issues, though. It's proving tough to control a raging new virus that is highly contagious, sometimes tricky to spot, and for which there is no population immunity.

    Some Swedes have gotten quite sick. More than 2,650 have died. The country's COVID-19 death rate is 12.3%, roughly triple that of Sweden's Nordic neighbors, Finland and Norway. The Swedish case-fatality rate also surpasses some of the hardest-hit countries: Spain (11.5%), and the US (5.9%).

    Swedish nursing homes, in a country which generally gets good marks for its elder care, have been especially hard-hit during this pandemic, accounting for more than half of the country's deaths, according to Tegnell. Arguably, some of those infections, and deaths, could have been easily prevented.
    Again this herd immunity idea has no real merit. Its a gamble done by a country hoping the ends justify the means. A phase the USA is about to enter by default opening up all this state economies again while the death tolls haven't even peaked yet. The CDC projects as many as 3,000 dead a day by June and over 200,000 cases per day. To put that into perspective we're seeing 25,000 cases a day now.

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