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    Quote Originally Posted by goingfor28 View Post
    Or maybe heart disease, etc caused many deaths to people who had covid but were asymptomatic. So they still count as a covid death despite it not contributing to some deaths.
    Idk why you magically think the number is so much higher than reported. What do you think hospitals had 1000s of unreported mystery deaths since last fall?
    In October/November/December/January and maybe even February. If someone died of complications of some sort of upper respiratory infection it wasn't contributed to COVID-19, because we didn't know it existed over here. Furthermore, once we knew it existed we had little to no testing or the tests were taking multiple days to return a result.

    Its not hard to fathom many toe tags have the wrong cause of death on em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    have you ever seen 2 doctors disagree on how infection spreads?
    No do you know how many it takes to screw in a light bulb?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    No do you know how many it takes to screw in a light bulb?


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    Chronz' logic: I don't know, but it's definitely not the answer YOU think it is. As an older vet, I've seen things that give me way more experience than you when it comes to lightbulbs. I know an electrician, so clearly that makes me a lightbulb expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    have you ever seen 2 doctors disagree on how infection spreads?
    That's why you don't ask two doctors, you ask two thousand who all specialize in infectious disease. That's scientific consensus. I know plenty of doctors who still dictate reports to a transcription service, because they can't type or figure out Word. Just because they're knowledgeable about one thing doesn't mean they're knowledgeable about everything. Heck, that's why specialist doctors EXIST, because it's not possible to know everything about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingfor28 View Post
    Or maybe heart disease, etc caused many deaths to people who had covid but were asymptomatic. So they still count as a covid death despite it not contributing to some deaths.
    Idk why you magically think the number is so much higher than reported. What do you think hospitals had 1000s of unreported mystery deaths since last fall?
    You do realize the tests are inaccurate right? Up to 40 percent of people are getting false negatives. As a cardiology practice, we have seen an spike in new patients with acute pericarditis but tested negative to COVID. They have every symptom of Covid. The general consensus among our group which is I believe the biggest in the Denver metro area is the tests are **** and we deal with every patient tested as if they have it regardless of the result because the tests are ****.

    Knowing people in there 20’s with no existing health concerns admitted to ICU with URI but tested negative to Covid and died. We likely have a ton more cases than reported because 1.testing is bad for COVID

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    Brief yourself on the Spanish Flu and how major cities dealt with it. It’s no coincidence that each city had a second wave of cases after you relaxed restrictions. Unfortunately you have to continue it until we have a drug or vaccine in place to fight this so it’s not pick and choose who get ventilators in the hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp13baby View Post
    Brief yourself on the Spanish Flu and how major cities dealt with it. It’s no coincidence that each city had a second wave of cases after you relaxed restrictions. Unfortunately you have to continue it until we have a drug or vaccine in place to fight this so it’s not pick and choose who get ventilators in the hospital.
    problem is - the vaccine is atleast a year out. we will not survive sheltering in place for a year. people will not have jobs to go back too. We will be in a full out depression (which will cause far more deaths than this virus would).

    Social distancing should be enforced. the 6 foot rule should still be there. avoiding big crowds. wearing a mask when you have to be in the same general place as a lot of people for a long period of time. But its not a feasible solution to keep everyone out of work and shut down the economy for a yr. Experts are saying until the summer would be too late for a huge portion of businesses

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    Quote Originally Posted by effen5 View Post
    South Korea has a constitution, a culture of freedom, and a culture of privacy... What the ****? And yes I am Korean. What's hilarious is my parents just moved back to S. Korea 4 years ago after living in the states for 35 years. They came out here in the beginning of March during the pandemic for my nephews first birthday, and they were like "What a ****ing **** show" and ended up flying back to Korea before the restrictions.

    And what do you mean we don't have the funds? We just spent 2 TRILLION DOLLARS on a stimulus package because of the pandemic.... The problem is we have a ton of morons who thought this was a hoax and didn't take the virus seriously and we could have spent a quarter of that 2 trillion to start testing and we wouldn't be in this situation right now. I mean the ****ing idiot in Florida Ron DeSantis didn't want to issue a Stay At Home order because of the president and that was TWO ****ING DAYS AGO.
    Not only are you comparing South Korea's attack on the virus to the United States which is already impossible... but you're now comparing their cultures as being one and the same as well... Maybe you're just trolling by thinking the US could ever adapt the governing style of South Korea and I'm falling for it by responding to you in this message, but if you aren't, you really need to learn about American history and culture. There is no way the American people, even the majority of people on the left, would ever adopt the level of authoritarianism the South Koreans have.

    And you seem to not understand what the $2 trillion was for. It was for the American people. Many people lost their jobs or are on furlough. This was NOT a bill used for future prevention of pandemic viruses. You really think just because we can print money, we have the funds to do exactly as South Korea has done? Furthermore, spending ourselves into oblivion is not something the president alone can do. Congress is in charge of the budget and passing bills. Currently, the house and senate are split. In short, it's a lot easier to have thermal imaging across a country the area size of Indiana than it is for the size of our country.

    The original goal post was, "We can do it in x amount of time because South Korea did it." Now the goal post shifted to "Well, why don't we have what they have?!" I mean, it's great if we all understood that it's rather ignorant to compare a country as small as South Korea to a country as large and populated as the United States with an entirely different culture and governing system. We are talking about uprooting centuries of ideology in favor of a foreign authoritarian style rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    Good luck. He hasn’t grasped this in every ****ing conversation we’ve had.



    So when you *****ed about the Democrats trying to add in abortion stuff you presented that as fact. But now that it was debunked you’re re-posting about how it was exactly unclear? Do you not see how you’re a part of the problem?



    You mean this stuff?:



    Like I just posted a second ago, we could do what SK is doing but money and “what about muh freedoms?!?!?!” won’t allow us to. But we absolutely can so how the **** did you blow up anything?
    I will be more accurate. I'm not sure how my opinion was presented as fact... I heard about this first on NPR. When Republicans questioned the wording of the bill that it could be used to fund abortion, Democrats didn't want to change the wording. The bill didn't get passed. It was eventually reworded BECAUSE of "abortion" was a concern with the way it was originally worded... Even fact check acknowledges this, though, I have not read the original wording... I don't think it was released.

    Nevertheless, it's FACTUAL that abortion was brought up in discussion of the coronavirus and there was an initial refusal to change the language... it was eventually changed.

    My opinion: Democrats wanted the language vague so that it could be used as a loophole.

    Fact: When discussing the bill in congress, "abortion" was brought up because of the wording of the original bill being discussed. The right claimed it left it open based on the wording, the left claimed it was to put families first.

    You seem to have no problem giving opinions on things, but when I do and even fact check substantiates my reasoning, I was somehow "presenting it as fact".

    And if you still don't think the South Korea/US comparison is blown up by now, then we should move on to another topic. I can only point out how incredibly different we are as countries, I can't make you believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrum187 View Post
    Not only are you comparing South Korea's attack on the virus to the United States which is already impossible... but you're now comparing their cultures as being one and the same as well... Maybe you're just trolling by thinking the US could ever adapt the governing style of South Korea and I'm falling for it by responding to you in this message, but if you aren't, you really need to learn about American history and culture. There is no way the American people, even the majority of people on the left, would ever adopt the level of authoritarianism the South Koreans have.

    And you seem to not understand what the $2 trillion was for. It was for the American people. Many people lost their jobs or are on furlough. This was NOT a bill used for future prevention of pandemic viruses. You really think just because we can print money, we have the funds to do exactly as South Korea has done? Furthermore, spending ourselves into oblivion is not something the president alone can do. Congress is in charge of the budget and passing bills. Currently, the house and senate are split. In short, it's a lot easier to have thermal imaging across a country the area size of Indiana than it is for the size of our country.

    The original goal post was, "We can do it in x amount of time because South Korea did it." Now the goal post shifted to "Well, why don't we have what they have?!" I mean, it's great if we all understood that it's rather ignorant to compare a country as small as South Korea to a country as large and populated as the United States with an entirely different culture and governing system. We are talking about uprooting centuries of ideology in favor of a foreign authoritarian style rule.
    Huh? I don't know much about foreign governments and don't pretend to, but I'm pretty sure South Korea is a democratic nation. Are you confusing South Korea for North Korea?

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this dude seems way off base with this post at first glance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by likemystylez View Post
    problem is - the vaccine is atleast a year out. we will not survive sheltering in place for a year. people will not have jobs to go back too. We will be in a full out depression (which will cause far more deaths than this virus would).

    Social distancing should be enforced. the 6 foot rule should still be there. avoiding big crowds. wearing a mask when you have to be in the same general place as a lot of people for a long period of time. But its not a feasible solution to keep everyone out of work and shut down the economy for a yr. Experts are saying until the summer would be too late for a huge portion of businesses
    The shelter in place now is too relaxed, businesses are Losing a ton of money as it is, do you go all out crazy on restrictions to really permit the spread of this and businesses suffer now with stim help, or do you have businesses tread water For a year and then have to wait for the vaccine to be produced in masses and wait for the economy come back which may take even longer as it will be a slow growth?

    To me you fight the main source head on with all you got, instead of supporting everything around the main problem but not the actual problem.

    Also fire the ****ing south y’all are so late and clueless to this it blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tp13baby View Post
    The shelter in place now is too relaxed, businesses are Losing a ton of money as it is, do you go all out crazy on restrictions to really permit the spread of this and businesses suffer now with stim help, or do you have businesses tread water For a year and then have to wait for the vaccine to be produced in masses and wait for the economy come back which may take even longer as it will be a slow growth?

    To me you fight the main source head on with all you got, instead of supporting everything around the main problem but not the actual problem.

    Also fire the ****ing south y’all are so late and clueless to this it blows my mind.
    The shelter hasnt been as effective as it could be for a few reasons.

    1) There was really no heads up about it going in. It basically came up at around 11 am a few weeks back here in the bay area and it was to be official at 9PM or something that night. You gotta give people 3-4 weeks to get ready.

    2) Its for an indefinite amount of time, so it doesnt really seem practical for every single person to be able to stop all their plans basically forever.... or until stated otherwise (which may be the rest of their lives depending on how long they have to live)

    3) It wasnt everywhere at once.

    4) its impossible for everyone to stay home considering there are a good number of people out doing essential jobs. SO going into it- the plan was really to reduce the amount of people out interacting with different people. and to make sure those people who are out are staying 6 feet away, limiting their time face to face with people, wearing masks etc.

    Here in Northern CA- I do believe the 4th has happened. There arent nearly as many people out. Although stores like costco seem to be jam packed all the time based on the news. (I havent been since the lock down).


    After this is over.... i think anybody who comes here from any other country should be quarantined for 2-4 weeks before going into society.

    Also- Illegal immigration from any country should be viewed as a threat to our economy and there should be no leniency what so ever for it.

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    Because it's going to come up soon and people don't seem to understand infection, please note that "aerosol" is not the same thing as "airborne".

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    Because it's going to come up soon and people don't seem to understand infection, please note that "aerosol" is not the same thing as "airborne".
    who are you responding too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by likemystylez View Post
    who are you responding too?
    No one. It's going to come up in the news today that COVID-19 is potentially aerosol contagious.

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