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  1. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    Didn't we steal the Nets coach that really helped some of their young guys develop?
    Yeah. Still need to show it man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Yeah. Still need to show it man.
    Agree... Culver did play much better the second half of the season last year. Hopefully he continues to go in the right direction. Will be an interesting offseason.... Short ... but interesting....

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    Hopefully Culver becomes better offensively but I hope more so Beasley evolves and becomes more of a star

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    Agree... Culver did play much better the second half of the season last year. Hopefully he continues to go in the right direction. Will be an interesting offseason.... Short ... but interesting....
    Was Culver actually heading in the right direction? I thought he was a humongous disappointment.

    I honestly think our 3 undrafted FA's (McLaughlan/Martin/Naz) were all better than our actual draft picks (Culver/Nowell).

    I hope I'm proven wrong, but Culver seems like someone who may have been okay in the early 2000's. Seems to have an okay midrange game, at least for a rookie - but his 3-point shooting (& mechanics) were just awful. The two things that were supposed to be his key strengths - secondary ball handling and defence - were probably has two biggest weaknesses. He's long and was okay for a few steals/intercepts, but his actual man on man and team defence was poor.

    He has time to turn it around, but with what scouts were calling his strengths proving to be absolute weaknesses at NBA-level, I'm not entirely sure where the improvement's going to come from.

    Call me crazy, but at least early next season, I would rather see Kelan Martin get NBA minutes and have Culver playing 32 minutes a night in the G League.

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    yeah I saw nothing from Culver that suggests good NBA player down the line. That being said, I didn't watch most of the season, he just seems small, can't take any contact, mechanics are all jacked, and he seems rather slow. Perhaps his body hasn't matured, but he was yet another in the line of crappy picks we have made to me. Wes Johnson like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellington19 View Post
    Was Culver actually heading in the right direction? I thought he was a humongous disappointment.

    I honestly think our 3 undrafted FA's (McLaughlan/Martin/Naz) were all better than our actual draft picks (Culver/Nowell).

    I hope I'm proven wrong, but Culver seems like someone who may have been okay in the early 2000's. Seems to have an okay midrange game, at least for a rookie - but his 3-point shooting (& mechanics) were just awful. The two things that were supposed to be his key strengths - secondary ball handling and defence - were probably has two biggest weaknesses. He's long and was okay for a few steals/intercepts, but his actual man on man and team defence was poor.

    He has time to turn it around, but with what scouts were calling his strengths proving to be absolute weaknesses at NBA-level, I'm not entirely sure where the improvement's going to come from.

    Call me crazy, but at least early next season, I would rather see Kelan Martin get NBA minutes and have Culver playing 32 minutes a night in the G League.
    You are wrong. If you bothered to look at Culver's stats, he did indeed play better(at least he shot a lot better from 3) in the second half of the season. I think the biggest benefit was the fact that they took him out of the starting lineup while still keeping around the same minutes and usage%. Defensively, he was ok, and definitely above average(by modern standards) both on/off ball. His ballhandling and passing is a huge suspect that indeed was supposed to be his strength. His ISO handling was actually pretty good, but he really struggled reading the defense and making solid passes. His poor freethrow numbers suggest to me that this is mostly mental(because he shot 70% in college) and once he matures a bit, he will be a nice role player. His shooting mechanics need a ton of work, but on the other hand, we've seen good/great shooters with awful mechanics in this league.

    As far as Nowell goes, he got very little run. I think he will be a really good scorer in this league at some point, probably not much else though. In fact, not a SINGLE 2nd round player has made an impact on any roster this past season. To be honest, only 5 players total had a positive +/- in the entire draft and two of them were Zion and Ja. Brandon Clarke(who a lot of us really liked) was an absolute beast and clearly the steal of the draft. All in all, this(so far) has been a very crappy draft outside of the top 2(and Clarke, Hayes and Herro).


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    This is a bit off topic, but talking about G-league players. I read a thing about Trevon Duval(Iowa) on DWTW today. This guy has some serious upside. He has not jumper(which is a huge no), but he has all of the other tools. Lookin at his jumper, he definitely looks like he would need a lot less work than some others(like Culver). He needs more air and slightly tweaked followthrough and he will be a decent shooter. Any thoughts on this guy? He was a top recruit in 2017 but played poorly at Duke and fell out of the draft all together. The physical talent and the worth ethic seem to be there. I would really hate love to see us develop him into a good rotation player. We made McLovin look like a decent NBA backup, why not this guy who has a ton more physical tools?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oefarmy2005 View Post
    You are wrong. If you bothered to look at Culver's stats, he did indeed play better(at least he shot a lot better from 3) in the second half of the season. I think the biggest benefit was the fact that they took him out of the starting lineup while still keeping around the same minutes and usage%. Defensively, he was ok, and definitely above average(by modern standards) both on/off ball. His ballhandling and passing is a huge suspect that indeed was supposed to be his strength. His ISO handling was actually pretty good, but he really struggled reading the defense and making solid passes. His poor freethrow numbers suggest to me that this is mostly mental(because he shot 70% in college) and once he matures a bit, he will be a nice role player. His shooting mechanics need a ton of work, but on the other hand, we've seen good/great shooters with awful mechanics in this league.

    As far as Nowell goes, he got very little run. I think he will be a really good scorer in this league at some point, probably not much else though. In fact, not a SINGLE 2nd round player has made an impact on any roster this past season. To be honest, only 5 players total had a positive +/- in the entire draft and two of them were Zion and Ja. Brandon Clarke(who a lot of us really liked) was an absolute beast and clearly the steal of the draft. All in all, this(so far) has been a very crappy draft outside of the top 2(and Clarke, Hayes and Herro).
    Culver looked like he didn't even belong the first half of the season. To say he improved isn't saying he looked good, I get that. Rookies rarely contribute, so we need to judge off the eyes, and if their stats trend in a positive way. He just didn't look the part to me. But judging a player off his rookie year never works...

    We just hope for better than good role player from a top 5 pick, ya know? It just seems a constant with the Wolves, outside KG/Love. We pick a guy who turns out to be nothing, or a role player in the high lottery. When will that stop?

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    The NBA draft is pretty much a crapshoot "most" years and looking back 5 years there really haven't been a bunch of players drafted in the 1st round for "most" teams" that have panned out .... not just the Wolves. That being said I think that the development part of most teams pretty much suck.

    Coaches are worried about their jobs and winning most nights. Also in a "regular" regular season you have an 18 or 19 year old ... traveling across country... is not mentally or physically mature.

    I wish each NBA team would have a developmental team in a nearby community like a AAA team to give these guys time to actually develop.
    As a former basketball coach I have no idea how these kids can improve on the fly.....
    Pretty much a sink or swim mentality.

    Hopefully our new regime gets that they need to develop these young players.....

    Generally the big jump comes from year 1 to year 2 if it going to happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    The NBA draft is pretty much a crapshoot "most" years and looking back 5 years there really haven't been a bunch of players drafted in the 1st round for "most" teams" that have panned out .... not just the Wolves. That being said I think that the development part of most teams pretty much suck.

    Coaches are worried about their jobs and winning most nights. Also in a "regular" regular season you have an 18 or 19 year old ... traveling across country... is not mentally or physically mature.

    I wish each NBA team would have a developmental team in a nearby community like a AAA team to give these guys time to actually develop.
    As a former basketball coach I have no idea how these kids can improve on the fly.....
    Pretty much a sink or swim mentality.

    Hopefully our new regime gets that they need to develop these young players.....

    Generally the big jump comes from year 1 to year 2 if it going to happen...
    did you see above? Oefarmy2005 posted 4/74 picks have become all stars. Which goes along with my guess on how bad we are. I challenge you to find another team worse haha. Seriously, we suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkk at drafting. It's insane dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    did you see above? Oefarmy2005 posted 4/74 picks have become all stars. Which goes along with my guess on how bad we are. I challenge you to find another team worse haha. Seriously, we suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkk at drafting. It's insane dude
    Yep. We also have lost most draft day trades outside of Mayo/Love swap, tbh. We are even worse at signing free agents(or not resigning our own). Billups anyone? Gerald Green? By the way, I just looked at Peelers 3pt percentages. The guy would be a flipping Allstar in the modern NBA. Go figure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oefarmy2005 View Post
    Yep. We also have lost most draft day trades outside of Mayo/Love swap, tbh. We are even worse at signing free agents(or not resigning our own). Billups anyone? Gerald Green? By the way, I just looked at Peelers 3pt percentages. The guy would be a flipping Allstar in the modern NBA. Go figure.
    Trae Young is just Peeler with more balls haha.

    Yeah, I am all for trading the pick(s) for real NBA players. I just don't trust our drafting, even though I need to keep telling myself that Rosas is a different breed than what we have had prior, so trust him just a little. But I am still a MN fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Dang, good comparison. I watched him a few times this year, and he can hammer the ball down, but is honestly kinda plodding otherwise.
    Kind of funny how Wolves fans can see why every good college player won’t turn out in the nba because we have drafted every kind of bust there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oefarmy2005 View Post
    On another note, was just reading an article on Canis how the Wolves have exactly 4 of their 74 picks throughout history play in an All-Star game. OMG, that is so bad, I am beyond words.
    Aha Hahahaha...so so bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    did you see above? Oefarmy2005 posted 4/74 picks have become all stars. Which goes along with my guess on how bad we are. I challenge you to find another team worse haha. Seriously, we suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkk at drafting. It's insane dude
    Take Solis in this quote. “The difference between the master and the student, is that the master has failed, more times than the student has tried”. Lol

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