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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    Exactly!
    Glad he spoke up about it. Shame on The Athletic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Glad he spoke up about it. Shame on The Athletic.
    Oh stop it. Correa taking responsibility is commendable, but that doesn't mean he's being completely honest. Even if he personally didn't feel pressure into cheating, others may have.

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    Details Emerge About Beltranís Role in 2017 Astrosí Clubhouse Sign Stealing Scheme

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGamer81 View Post
    Oh stop it. Correa taking responsibility is commendable, but that doesn't mean he's being completely honest. Even if he personally didn't feel pressure into cheating, others may have.
    Honestly I doubt it. Some parts of that article seemed like complete bull **** to me. Beltran is guilty, but heís not the only one and he didnít force anyone to cheat. The players wanted to cheat because they wanted an edge. Heís just the easiest target right now. The part with McCann and Hinch (among others) was just not believable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGamer81 View Post
    Oh stop it. Correa taking responsibility is commendable, but that doesn't mean he's being completely honest. Even if he personally didn't feel pressure into cheating, others may have.
    Hysterical now how Correa is seen as the voice of reason. Obviously Beltran shouldnt be the only one blamed. But to think he didnt wield influence is silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Honestly I doubt it. Some parts of that article seemed like complete bull **** to me. Beltran is guilty, but heís not the only one and he didnít force anyone to cheat. The players wanted to cheat because they wanted an edge. Heís just the easiest target right now. The part with McCann and Hinch (among others) was just not believable.
    "Force" is probably too strong a word. But the younger players knew their place in the clubhouse. Beltran was a leader. They were followers. Thats kind of how it works. Remember Lastings Millidge, "Know your place, Rook?"

    Not much different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    No fvcking way, Beltran was strangling Hinch, beating on veterans, and castrating rookies who defied his dictatorship

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGamer81 View Post
    Oh stop it. Correa taking responsibility is commendable, but that doesn't mean he's being completely honest. Even if he personally didn't feel pressure into cheating, others may have.
    That's fair, but you could also say the same thing about the Athletic. They are in the business of breaking news for money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    No fvcking way, Beltran was strangling Hinch, beating on veterans, and castrating rookies who defied his dictatorship
    Springtime for Hitler and Germany.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    "Force" is probably too strong a word. But the younger players knew their place in the clubhouse. Beltran was a leader. They were followers. Thats kind of how it works. Remember Lastings Millidge, "Know your place, Rook?"

    Not much different.
    That wasn't Beltran.


    ďI was like, ĎYes sir,í Ē Wagner said. ďThat was how I learned to act. You canít do that now. You canít tell a younger player that today, or youíll hear him say, ĎWho do you think you are?í And then youíre made to feel like you have to apologize. It shouldnít work that way.Ē


    During a game in Washington over the final weekend of the 2006 season, Wagner placed a sign above Milledgeís locker that read, ďKnow Your Place Rook!Ē
    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/s...ll/31mets.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    "Force" is probably too strong a word. But the younger players knew their place in the clubhouse. Beltran was a leader. They were followers. Thats kind of how it works. Remember Lastings Millidge, "Know your place, Rook?"

    Not much different.
    Of course, how dare a young person defy an elder person.
    Good thing all these young superstars who have been revered all their lives, women throwing themselves at them, everyone wanting to be their friend, teammate, agent are bending over so easily because Beltran was the only alpha male in the locker room

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    I didn't mean to insinuate it was. I was talking about the dynamic between established veteran and rookie. There's a pecking order in every clubhouse.
    "Ain't got the call no more. Got a lot of sinful idears Ė but they seem kinda sensible...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    Of course, how dare a young person defy an elder person.
    Good thing all these young superstars who have been revered all their lives, women throwing themselves at them, everyone wanting to be their friend, teammate, agent are bending over so easily because Beltran was the only alpha male in the locker room
    Interesting you said that. Ever read Moneyball, where Billy Bean talking about what it was like when, for the first time, he was competing with players who were as good or better than he was? That's exactly what it's like for these rookies. Then there's the issue of security. Remember, unlike their older teammates, they don't have guaranteed long-term contracts. They know they're just one slump or one injury away from being displaced, Then there's the initiation. Some teams have rituals where rookies have to carry a veteran's bags for the season. Well, that rookie bag carrier was once the Alpha of all Alpha dogs. And in a year or two he just might be once again. It's all a matter of perspective.

    But for the time being, he'll likely try to be a good soldier.
    "Ain't got the call no more. Got a lot of sinful idears Ė but they seem kinda sensible...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    That's fair, but you could also say the same thing about the Athletic. They are in the business of breaking news for money.
    No one works for free. But The Athletic's report was well detailed and well referenced. The reporting and writing was believable.
    "Ain't got the call no more. Got a lot of sinful idears Ė but they seem kinda sensible...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    https://theathletic.com/1600638/2020....co/3SQdU0fvb1

    Looks like the Mets made the right move and were proactive in getting rid of Beltran.

    Imagine the **** show this would be if they kept him around? Wow.

    It just goes to show that sometimes players are willing to do whatever it takes to get the end result that they want. Even if it meant sacrificing his legacy. Not sure if he gets into the HoF now

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    The Mets screwed up in the first place by not discussing it earlier. I mean we all know Brodie is a horrendous GM and the Wilpons are awful but you would think thatís a pretty important thing to discuss when making a decision for a new manager lol

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