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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Dont worry about changing my mind, I'm just wondering what is suspect about their numbers. Looking strictly at the stats, timelines, and growth curves, it looks like exactly what we would expect in comparison to ours.
    Did you ever actually look at the statistics?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bar...oo-51581622840

    According to statisticians China’s numbers were near impossible

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Did you ever actually look at the statistics?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bar...oo-51581622840

    According to statisticians China’s numbers were near impossible
    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Did you ever actually look at the statistics?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bar...oo-51581622840

    According to statisticians China’s numbers were near impossible
    Thanks for actually answering.

    Unfortunately they article doesnt go into detail, or if it did I couldn't read back over because it asks me to subscribe. But essentially they are saying that the numbers are too perfect, too predictable. It's certainly a point to be made, but this is enough to make you dismiss their numbers? I doubt it. I doubt if the US statistics had a r value that high that this many people would entirely dismiss them based off just that.

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    I’d like to see countries come together to try and reduce reliance of the global economy on Chinese production. We can’t allow our world to be as dependent as it is on a country run by such dishonest, untrustworthy and bad people as China’s government.

    We can all look at their numbers now and see they’re clearly made up but at the time there was no comparison. It was a new virus. How would there be any point of reference to call BS? People are dying all over the world because governments didn’t prepare for something of this magnitude because those ****ing *******s over there lied.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I’d like to see countries come together to try and reduce reliance of the global economy on Chinese production. We can’t allow our world to be as dependent as it is on a country run by such dishonest, untrustworthy and bad people as China’s government.

    We can all look at their numbers now and see they’re clearly made up but at the time there was no comparison. It was a new virus. How would there be any point of reference to call BS? People are dying all over the world because governments didn’t prepare for something of this magnitude because those ****ing *******s over there lied.
    Bro, they shut Wuhan down, they gave us the formula. We just didnt pay attention.

    I dont understand this whole defend america thing going on. We pay these guys salary. You're really not pissed off about this?

    Because the reality is, if what valade said is true and they gave false numbers, that's an even worse **** up by america because that means we had a perfect data set in front of us and still couldn't respond. At least with a real data set theres variance and so it makes sense why there would be hesitation on which approach to take. Ours was apparently so perfect that it may be fabricated, and we still couldn't make a move.





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    Welding people's doors shut and fudging death numbers is not "the formula".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Bro, they shut Wuhan down, they gave us the formula. We just didnt pay attention.

    I dont understand this whole defend america thing going on. We pay these guys salary. You're really not pissed off about this?

    Because the reality is, if what valade said is true and they gave false numbers, that's an even worse **** up by america because that means we had a perfect data set in front of us and still couldn't respond. At least with a real data set theres variance and so it makes sense why there would be hesitation on which approach to take. Ours was apparently so perfect that it may be fabricated, and we still couldn't make a move.





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    in what world does this even remotely make sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Bro, they shut Wuhan down, they gave us the formula. We just didnt pay attention.

    I dont understand this whole defend america thing going on. We pay these guys salary. You're really not pissed off about this?

    Because the reality is, if what valade said is true and they gave false numbers, that's an even worse **** up by america because that means we had a perfect data set in front of us and still couldn't respond. At least with a real data set theres variance and so it makes sense why there would be hesitation on which approach to take. Ours was apparently so perfect that it may be fabricated, and we still couldn't make a move.





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    It seems to me that the US acted weeks slower than it should have with the information it had. That upsets me.

    But based on what China’s actual numbers probably were then we probably should have acted MONTHS earlier.

    So I am upset with the US government for not acting as soon as they should have. I am also upset at China’s lying that pushed back the timeline many more weeks and led to many more deaths. Not just on the US but all over the world.

    Every single country in the world was slow to react to the threat this is. Some more so than others. But everyone’s timeline was pushed back by up to months dishonesty. And since this was a new virus that formed in China I can’t fault countries for not knowing the severity when all info on the virus was made off of a Chinese lie. I hold certain countries (US and UK are the two big ones I can think of) for still being slow even on the timeline set back by China lies. I can be mad at both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    in what world does this even remotely make sense
    The accusation is that China's numbers are too perfect, to the point they may have been falsified.

    The point I made is if that's the case, that's an even bigger screw up by our govt to see numbers that perfect yet still not know how to react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    The accusation is that China's numbers are too perfect, to the point they may have been falsified.

    The point I made is if that's the case, that's an even bigger screw up by our govt to see numbers that perfect yet still not know how to react.

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    for the love of god... you do realize AT THE START is what matters and at the start they were given mislead numbers that made this seem like no big deal and had no other data except the numbers given to them to go on... there was no perfect data at the start... the perfect data is using the numbers we have from all other countries therefor after and comparing it with china... you cant just use math at the start with so little data... we were banking on chinas numbers to know if we should react out of the gate better... all other countries did and by believing in chinas lies from the start with their down playing of the severity we and others were ****ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    It seems to me that the US acted weeks slower than it should have with the information it had. That upsets me.

    But based on what China’s actual numbers probably were then we probably should have acted MONTHS earlier.

    So I am upset with the US government for not acting as soon as they should have. I am also upset at China’s lying that pushed back the timeline many more weeks and led to many more deaths. Not just on the US but all over the world.

    Every single country in the world was slow to react to the threat this is. Some more so than others. But everyone’s timeline was pushed back by up to months dishonesty. And since this was a new virus that formed in China I can’t fault countries for not knowing the severity when all info on the virus was made off of a Chinese lie. I hold certain countries (US and UK are the two big ones I can think of) for still being slow even on the timeline set back by China lies. I can be mad at both.
    Ok, 100% fair stance.

    To me, my focus is on america, why did we have such an obvious break down in our govt? It's not cuz I'm tryina prop china and bash america, its because I live HERE. The incompetence our govt showed is a concern to me, they proved they do not understand science nor are they capable or enacting even minimal national security measures in response.

    We pay their salary. We should all be pretty pissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    for the love of god... you do realize AT THE START is what matters and at the start they were given mislead numbers that made this seem like no big deal and had no other data except the numbers given to them to go on... there was no perfect data at the start... the perfect data is using the numbers we have from all other countries therefor after and comparing it with china... you cant just use math at the start with so little data... we were banking on chinas numbers to know if we should react out of the gate better... all other countries did and by believing in chinas lies from the start with their down playing of the severity we and others were ****ed.
    I'm pretty sure that from January, when we had our first case, china was already open with their info regarding it initially showing up sometime around late november

    We had all the info we needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Ok, 100% fair stance.

    To me, my focus is on america, why did we have such an obvious break down in our govt? It's not cuz I'm tryina prop china and bash america, its because I live HERE. The incompetence our govt showed is a concern to me, they proved they do not understand science nor are they capable or enacting even minimal national security measures in response.

    We pay their salary. We should all be pretty pissed.

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    the same reason the rest of the world at the start took similar paths... we all reacted to the data given to us and should have reacted much more scared but countries are stingy with resources and dont want to over prepare for something that could happen but might not happen. I fault us and other countries for not acting quicker in Feb when things started to blow up but this virus was already rampant well before then and china gave no ****s personally because they know the world needs them to much to take action for their carelessness and stupidity. The US is looking so bad numbers wise because our country goes all over the place more than any other country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I'm pretty sure that from January, when we had our first case, china was already open with their info regarding it initially showing up sometime around late november

    We had all the info we needed

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    the ****... We are using the data now because we have the data comparison from all other countries.... china was open with their information but that doesnt help with perfect data... we needed to compare their data with everyone elses but we couldnt do that at the start because nobody else had the numbers.... that is why we can tell now with perfect data that china lied their ***** off and ****ed everyone else.... at the start in January all we had to go with was what china told everyone

    also their projected numbers are far to perfect... that just cant happen.
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