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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I said china tried to cover this up in the beginning. Once it got out of their control they pretty much sounded the alarm to the world that theres a contagious disease spreading which they dont know much about.

    Yes they were covering up, but that not out of the ordinary for a government to do. They did what trump did, they downplayed the virus in order to not cause economic ripples, turned out they underestimated the virus. I understand there was dishonesty involved there, but that seems to be somewhat standard for a govt. We ourselves did the same thing.

    So I dont necessarily carry that dishonesty over to after the time they realized they have a global pandemic on our hands. The entire approach changes at that point, including the honesty/dishonesty strategy.

    In order to say they are being dishonest with their numbers, I would have to see something to convince me so. Saying they were too accurate, ok, it's not enough to sell me but I'm def keeping that in mind moving forward

    That's how I see it.
    First Bolded: You are giving China credit for fessing up to the truth after everyone knew they were wrong. Thatís like giving a murderer a pat on the back for admitting to a murder after police find video of the murder.

    Second Bolded: Itís obvious at this poi t youíve gone into your defensiveness stubbornness mode where nothing will every change your mind so thereís no point. Youíre basically saying ďthis thing that proves Iím wrong isnít enough to convince me Iím wrong, so itís up to you to somehow make me change my mind Iím telling you Iím not going to changeĒ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    To the contrary, I think the only reason youíre dismissing this is because it directly contradicts your beliefs.

    The biggest irony is you are defending and denying China is covering up something by using the same tactics China used to cover this up, and the irony is lost to you.
    No, I'm not dismissing it, I just said its a legit criticism. But you think that anyone that does anything other than vehemently agree with you must be wrong.

    What tactic is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    First Bolded: You are giving China credit for fessing up to the truth after everyone knew they were wrong. Thatís like giving a murderer a pat on the back for admitting to a murder after police find video of the murder.

    Second Bolded: Itís obvious at this poi t youíve gone into your defensiveness stubbornness mode where nothing will every change your mind so thereís no point. Youíre basically saying ďthis thing that proves Iím wrong isnít enough to convince me Iím wrong, so itís up to you to somehow make me change my mind Iím telling you Iím not going to changeĒ.
    No, I'm not giving china "credit" for fessing up, I went at them pretty hard for letting this loose actually. I am simply telling you WHY I am not carrying the earlier dishonesty over from early in the disease course when they were trying to cover it, to later once it was realized this can become a global pandemic. I am not carrying that dishonesty over because the stakes completely changed.

    "Proves" me wrong? You cant even tell me what the r values represent in his study, I think it's safe to say nothing has been proven to anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    You've made it very obvious that you don't see anything at all suspicious with China. Try taking the blinders off.
    Idk why you even bother anymore lol

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    lol, I love how not one person can actually break down in laymen terms what the issue is. Yall like, some guy that knows more than me said something, you're insane for not believing him!! [emoji23][emoji23]

    I got no issue being open minded about why their numbers might be bogus, I said ok they seem too perfect to be an organic data sample, ok, point taken. What else you want from me??



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    Lmao

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    The best part is, both side of the political spectrum in america is blaming the other side for inflating/downplaying numbers, yet china is the one everyone's pointing at

    Classic

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    No, I'm not dismissing it, I just said its a legit criticism. But you think that anyone that does anything other than vehemently agree with you must be wrong.

    What tactic is that?
    Because itís not possible to say something that proves Chinaís numbers are not accurate is a legitimate criticism but you still think Chinaís numbers are legitimate.

    I donít demand vehement agreement, I just expect someone who acknowledges something that disproves their point to not continue arguing the same point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    No, I'm not giving china "credit" for fessing up, I went at them pretty hard for letting this loose actually. I am simply telling you WHY I am not carrying the earlier dishonesty over from early in the disease course when they were trying to cover it, to later once it was realized this can become a global pandemic. I am not carrying that dishonesty over because the stakes completely changed.

    "Proves" me wrong? You cant even tell me what the r values represent in his study, I think it's safe to say nothing has been proven to anybody.
    If you doubt China is lying because it makes no sense, explain to me the sense of Statisticians saying Chinaís numbers donít make sense because of an r99 value if their values are somewhere where a r99 value wouldnít be unusual.

    Explain to me why these statisticians would lie about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    lol, I love how not one person can actually break down in laymen terms what the issue is. Yall like, some guy that knows more than me said something, you're insane for not believing him!! [emoji23][emoji23]

    I got no issue being open minded about why their numbers might be bogus, I said ok they seem too perfect to be an organic data sample, ok, point taken. What else you want from me??
    I broke down in laymen terms exactly what the issue is, you then said he issue doesnít matter because you article doesnít State the r value, I then asked if you thought the statisticians took the r value into account when making their claim, and you have not answered.

    And itís not that the guy knows more than me, itís that he knows more than you.

    I want you to stop saying ďtheir point is legit but Iím going to ignore it anywayĒ

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    Also, hereís an article on the unreliability if projection models due to the volume of assumptions that must be made:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...9-predictions/

    Safe to say the r value is nowhere near r99 when predicting pandemic numbers.

    Yet somehow China managed to be more accurate than a supercomputer. Wonder why that is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    january 31st is when russia closed its border to china.... they just closed all of their borders a few days ago.... russia is started to get hit really hard and some officials believe they already had plenty of cases early on with a 37 pct rise in phenomena cases in january but just chalked it up to that and not the virus.


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/coro...nt-spread.html


    as of january 29th china had confirmed 170 deaths to almost 8k cases... again at the time when compared with the flu this is why countries balked at reacting like they would have if they knew thousands likely already died.
    Ok, I'm going to compare china with California, I will prove to you these numbers make sense.

    So in china this first surfaced in late november, and in california late January. From late november to late January is 2 months, that is before the exponential growth rise starts.

    In California we followed near the same pattern, first cases in late January, and 2 months later in late march we just started to have the exponential growth rise. You can see it here

    https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...king-outbreak/

    This is a great site. I check this site every single day, this is why I know our stay at home order on the 17th is indeed having a positive effect. Good for Gary Newsome, he saved lives by not waiting longer, bad for Gary Newsome, he let people die by not starting sooner. Guess it depends how you wanna look at it.

    There very well may be relevant factors I'm not considering, but on the surface those numbers seem to.make sense. The timeline may be off by a week or so.

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    Last edited by nastynice; 04-09-2020 at 12:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Also, hereís an article on the unreliability if projection models due to the volume of assumptions that must be made:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...9-predictions/

    Safe to say the r value is nowhere near r99 when predicting pandemic numbers.

    Yet somehow China managed to be more accurate than a supercomputer. Wonder why that is...
    Cmon man, you wasted my time by making me read that, what is that supposed to tell me?

    Don't worry, I just googled "china numbers lying r value", I'll read up on it

    https://www.google.com/search?q=chin...obile&ie=UTF-8

    So far tho, I clicked on the first link, bloomberg link that says US intelligence says china numbers are lying because they have less cases and casualties, lmaoooo, bro our govt fell asleep and now they tryina blame china!!

    Their numbers are less because they LOCKED DOWN. No one was allowed in or out of Hubei province. The highways in and out had cones across them, they were literally locked down. When one patient tested positive, they would screen and disinfect the ENTIRE BLOCK where they live.

    No **** they had lower numbers than us, no **** sherlock. We haven't done anything close to that, even now in the crescendo of this peak or whatever, we aren't even 50% as aggressive in New York as they were in Wuhan. What percent of citizens wear mask in New York? In wuhan? I'm willing to bet wuhan is significantly higher.

    Why are people surprised our numbers are higher? That follows 100% in line with how each country reacted

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingfor28 View Post
    Idk why you even bother anymore lol
    Got a lot of time on my hands (as seems to be the case with most of us currently) and enjoy challenging blatant misinformation.

    You're right though: it's basically pointless and completely not worthy of any sort of high effort replies.

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