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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    That doesn't necessarily mean its 25% over reported.

    Just because a death doesnt have a confirmatory test doesnt mean people are just labeling any and everything as so. I dont know the specifics of this virus but many times certain things have hallmark signs or symptoms which can be relatively accurate (China was reporting cases as positive based on x ray findings for i think like a month long stretch at one point)

    In many situations it can be a blurry line between death with and death from. Death with can very well still be a major factor in a patients general health and recovery.

    Your points are valid, but I dont think they are actually 25% over reporting as they're claiming.

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    Co-morbidities eventually killing someone doesn't change the fact that what killed them sooner was COVID-19. Yes, someone can have cancer and maybe they are going to die in 6 months to a year but if COVID sped that process up, its a COVID related death. Not to mention, the people who would could have overcome those illnesses but the coronavirus didn't allow them to do so.

    The evidence certainly suggests COVID related deaths are under-reported. You had people dying for maybe 4 or 5 months (in China and elsewhere) that weren't tested for coronavirus. Mainly because testing wasn't readily available and people didn't know it existed already as a well formed pandemic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Itís important to note Dr. Brix works for the Trump administration and her opinion is in opposition to the majority of the medical community:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...-toll.amp.html

    But supposing you were right and it was over reported by 25% that means currently the US is ďonlyĒ at 103,000 deaths and 2.5 million infected.

    Thatís not any better from a ďshould we worry about thisĒ standpoint.
    It's overblown. That's the point and there really is no doubting that

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Co-morbidities eventually killing someone doesn't change the fact that what killed them sooner was COVID-19. Yes, someone can have cancer and maybe they are going to die in 6 months to a year but if COVID sped that process up, its a COVID related death. Not to mention, the people who would could have overcome those illnesses but the coronavirus didn't allow them to do so.

    The evidence certainly suggests COVID related deaths are under-reported. You had people dying for maybe 4 or 5 months (in China and elsewhere) that weren't tested for coronavirus. Mainly because testing wasn't readily available and people didn't know it existed already as a well formed pandemic.
    My comments are strictly America so let's not move the goalposts. Clearly the data is over-reported as the links provided show.

    Hard to say COVID sped things up. But if you have it, most count it as a COVID death which clearly is over-reporting

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Again, this is you saying the death count is overinflated. Do you think the medical community agrees with you?
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by blams View Post
    That's anecdotal.

    The experts have determined the death count is undercounted by about 30k in all likelihood. That's just the reality.

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    No, this is not reality. There are many examples of cases where a person infected with Covid actually dies of something else. I have given 5 real-world examples of cases that I am personally aware of where the facility medical director listed a death as due to something other than Covid and the county medical examiner listed them as Covid deaths. These are not isolated cases. I feel the death count is inflated by at least 20%.
    Part of this is to scare people to keep them following CDC recommendations, part of it is political.

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    All of this said, Covid is not "overblown". It is a dangerous disease that can kill people. The overall death rate will be somewhere under 2% of cases when this is over. Currently, the disease is affecting more young people than old, and I'm not sure if its because older people are being more careful and young people, as they will, think they are immune. The death rate from the current spike is much lower than it was early in the pandemic.
    Follow CDC recommendations. Do not go out in crowds (even protesters and rioters can get this and that is possibly why there is currently a spike in cases), wear your mask when you are in stores or malls, I don't see a need to wear a mask when you are in your yard or hiking and bicycling. Wash your hands and disinfect frequently touched surfaces frequently (not multiple times daily, just every couple of days). Clean your keys, door handles, steering wheel, phone and things that you touch a lot. No need to worry about your groceries. They are not going to give you Covid.

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    Some potentially good news for everyone:
    https://www.biospace.com/article/fda...-and-biontech/
    These vaccines appear to be effective and safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    All of this said, Covid is not "overblown". It is a dangerous disease that can kill people. The overall death rate will be somewhere under 2% of cases when this is over. Currently, the disease is affecting more young people than old, and I'm not sure if its because older people are being more careful and young people, as they will, think they are immune. The death rate from the current spike is much lower than it was early in the pandemic.
    Follow CDC recommendations. Do not go out in crowds (even protesters and rioters can get this and that is possibly why there is currently a spike in cases), wear your mask when you are in stores or malls, I don't see a need to wear a mask when you are in your yard or hiking and bicycling. Wash your hands and disinfect frequently touched surfaces frequently (not multiple times daily, just every couple of days). Clean your keys, door handles, steering wheel, phone and things that you touch a lot. No need to worry about your groceries. They are not going to give you Covid.
    qft

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Some potentially good news for everyone:
    https://www.biospace.com/article/fda...-and-biontech/
    These vaccines appear to be effective and safe.
    Going to need a lot more vaccines than 1.2 billion, but it's very encouraging news

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    It's overblown. That's the point and there really is no doubting that
    It is not overblown. This is for Catman too since he asked for the information.

    I already posted an article with a research scientist from Columbia University saying the numbers are under reported.

    Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and the WHO all believe the numbers are under reported.

    Hereís the associate professor of infectious diseases at Harvard saying itís under reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...lobalData.aspx

    Hereís a leading data and analytics company saying the data shows Covid is u see reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...lobalData.aspx

    Hereís the executive director for the State and Territorial Epidemiologists saying itís under reported:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html

    Hereís researchers at the Yale School of public health saying the numbers are under reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1201441

    Hereís a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association that says the numbers are under reported:

    https://www.virginiabusiness.com/art...d-study-finds/

    Here is a former top WHO official and Epidemiologist, a Dr. from the College of American Pathologists, and the President of the National Association of Medical Examiners all saying itís under reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews...%3fid=70385359


    I could keep going. But its pretty clear outside the Trump Administration, the Medical Community strongly believes Covid deaths are underreported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    It is not overblown. This is for Catman too since he asked for the information.

    I already posted an article with a research scientist from Columbia University saying the numbers are under reported.

    Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and the WHO all believe the numbers are under reported.

    Hereís the associate professor of infectious diseases at Harvard saying itís under reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...lobalData.aspx

    Hereís a leading data and analytics company saying the data shows Covid is u see reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...lobalData.aspx

    Hereís the executive director for the State and Territorial Epidemiologists saying itís under reported:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...eath-toll.html

    Hereís researchers at the Yale School of public health saying the numbers are under reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1201441

    Hereís a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association that says the numbers are under reported:

    https://www.virginiabusiness.com/art...d-study-finds/

    Here is a former top WHO official and Epidemiologist, a Dr. from the College of American Pathologists, and the President of the National Association of Medical Examiners all saying itís under reported:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews...%3fid=70385359


    I could keep going. But its pretty clear outside the Trump Administration, the Medical Community strongly believes Covid deaths are underreported.
    Well you provided 6 links so that automatically trumps catmans 5 examples.

    (Iím on your side of this)


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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Some potentially good news for everyone:
    https://www.biospace.com/article/fda...-and-biontech/
    These vaccines appear to be effective and safe.
    I'm not buying the BS about vaccines until I really see it and proven effective. You're in medicine, so you understand what it means when people are testing positive a second time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    My comments are strictly America so let's not move the goalposts. Clearly the data is over-reported as the links provided show.

    Hard to say COVID sped things up. But if you have it, most count it as a COVID death which clearly is over-reporting
    Well then qualify it next time because the coronavirus hasn't been isolated to just the United States.

    No its not hard to say COVID sped things up. That's a ludicrous statement and for every link you can provided, there is evidence otherwise like Valade posted. People were dying in this country from COVID probably as early as January. Way before testing became readily available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    well you provided 6 links so that automatically trumps catmans 5 examples.

    (iím on your side of this)


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    except that is not how any of this works! Smh

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Well then qualify it next time because the coronavirus hasn't been isolated to just the United States.
    It has in this thread

    No its not hard to say COVID sped things up. That's a ludicrous statement and for every link you can provided, there is evidence otherwise like Valade posted. People were dying in this country from COVID probably as early as January. Way before testing became readily available.[/QUOTE]

    They might have been. But the articles guess, assume, but do not know about true cause or if COVID accelerated. I guess honesty isn't required in this talk.

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