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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Same for HIV/AIDS. No one does from it... they die because their immune system is compromised and they canít fight infection.
    Yet I don't see anyone running around claiming that HIV/AIDS death tallies are "not real"....

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    So in Colorado (I think also nationally at direction of CDC), they are basically supposed to have mass vaccination plans available for 2 shot vaccines by October. They're saying if a vaccine comes out by November or December they want to get to the public asap.

    I dont know how likely that is, but that seems to be a potential target date for the govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Yes but we still list the infection that killed them.

    Which makes sense. This manner of recording let's us know what infections to expect at particular cell counts, which allows us to better track and treat patients.

    It's not like HIV patients just get any random infection and die, there are certain ones we know they usually get and most likely to kill them, depending on what stage of disease the patient is at.

    For example, I think the HIV list starts at counts of like 400, 200, 100, and 50. What if HIV patients with cell counts of 800 are catching covid and dying? That's a major difference, there is no doubt covid is killing these patients. They could have went on for much longer.

    No matter how you slice it, the infection is still an active player in the game. It should be recorded as such.

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    Lol what cell counts are you referring to? Do you really know or did you just google this?

    But to speak to your broader point...

    Do we list, on national media, the amount of pneumonia or flu or sepsis deaths each day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    In Colorado they were at about 50% compliance, then started imposing fines and went above 90% compliance.

    Doesnt have to be like China to be effective.

    PDT needs to listen to CDC. CDC should slap PDT.

    lol, but seriously, PDT doesnt seem to get anything. Federal should be setting a one size fits all protocol/outline, pass to the states to execute, who can then fine tune and pass to counties to execute. Isnt that the point of this political structure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    It's strange when you say youre not willing to shut down the economy, meanwhile our leadership failing to coherently manage and control the response is the exact reason the economy had to shut down to begin with. Then shut down a SECOND time.

    And lo and behold, I'm still seeing mass opposition to distancing guidelines, what a sad twist this terrible joke of a response would take if we had to shut some places back down for a THIRD wave of lockdown?? Actually, that would be par for the course...no twist at all...

    I dont understand how you say you're not willing to shut down the economy when at the same time you're supporting this leadership. It played out as a complete scenario TWICE in Wuhan and Iran, then for good measure a little heads up even from Italy, and the federal govt STILL did nothing? Wtf?

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    I donít think have really shut down the economy, at least not nationally. Sure some states have overreacted and it costs them dearly (Basically the north east coast). Not only did they kill their elderly by mandating super sick contagious people go back into homes with other super immunocompromised elderly... but they told everyone that needed to work that they no longer could work, thereby creating a nanny state where the poor are dependent upon them.

    Itís really Liberal Politics 101. Itís what China is doing to poor countries in Africa and Asia... itís what Dems are doing to minorities.

    And youíre side is gonna win. I get it. I think DT is the last Republican president ever. We are slowly going to slide into democratic socialism and everything that America stood for in the world is going to cease to exist.

    Russia will take Europe and the Middle East and China will take Asia and Africa. The only thing stopping those two things from happening is The USA. And we all know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Lol what cell counts are you referring to? Do you really know or did you just google this?

    But to speak to your broader point...

    Do we list, on national media, the amount of pneumonia or flu or sepsis deaths each day?
    Cd4 t cell count. HIV basically attacks your t cell response (immune response), so as they deplete there are common infections associated with diff stages of HIV progression.

    Well yea when the flu first hit and spreading at exponential growth rate of course it was all over the media. Even smaller ones get all over the media like swine flu, h1n1, etc.

    In 3 years (probably less) coronavirus is gonna be widespread and so the threat of out break is then eliminated. It will then behave much like the current flu. At that time it wont be much a story. But right now almost all of america is still under threat of outbreak. So right now it's most definitely a big story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Cd4 t cell count. HIV basically attacks your t cell response (immune response), so as they deplete there are common infections associated with diff stages of HIV progression.

    Well yea when the flu first hit and spreading at exponential growth rate of course it was all over the media. Even smaller ones get all over the media like swine flu, h1n1, etc.

    In 3 years (probably less) coronavirus is gonna be widespread and so the threat of out break is then eliminated. It will then behave much like the current flu. At that time it wont be much a story. But right now almost all of america is still under threat of outbreak. So right now it's most definitely a big story.

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    Yeah man... lol you donít have to teach me about what HIV does. But they way you chose to talk about it clearly showed that you just looked it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Cd4 t cell count. HIV basically attacks your t cell response (immune response), so as they deplete there are common infections associated with diff stages of HIV progression.

    Well yea when the flu first hit and spreading at exponential growth rate of course it was all over the media. Even smaller ones get all over the media like swine flu, h1n1, etc.

    In 3 years (probably less) coronavirus is gonna be widespread and so the threat of out break is then eliminated. It will then behave much like the current flu. At that time it wont be much a story. But right now almost all of america is still under threat of outbreak. So right now it's most definitely a big story.

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    Lol youíre so wrong about the flu. Iím sorry Iím not trying to be rude but it is pretty clear that you donít know anything about these viruses. Or viruses in general I should say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Yet I don't see anyone running around claiming that HIV/AIDS death tallies are "not real"....
    Just like no one is running around claiming Cancer deaths aren't real or that Congestive Heart Failure deaths arenít real. Because thatís what people actually die from. Very rarely does anyone die of the flu... but it can happen. People die of Covid more often than the flu... but not at the rate that is being reported. At least not that I have seen or that 90% of my coworkers have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    I donít think have really shut down the economy, at least not nationally. Sure some states have overreacted and it costs them dearly (Basically the north east coast). Not only did they kill their elderly by mandating super sick contagious people go back into homes with other super immunocompromised elderly... but they told everyone that needed to work that they no longer could work, thereby creating a nanny state where the poor are dependent upon them.

    Itís really Liberal Politics 101. Itís what China is doing to poor countries in Africa and Asia... itís what Dems are doing to minorities.

    And youíre side is gonna win. I get it. I think DT is the last Republican president ever. We are slowly going to slide into democratic socialism and everything that America stood for in the world is going to cease to exist.

    Russia will take Europe and the Middle East and China will take Asia and Africa. The only thing stopping those two things from happening is The USA. And we all know it.
    Partisan fear monger much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    People die of Covid more often than the flu... but not at the rate that is being reported. At least not that I have seen or that 90% of my coworkers have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Just like no one is running around claiming Cancer deaths aren't real or that Congestive Heart Failure deaths arenít real. Because thatís what people actually die from. Very rarely does anyone die of the flu... but it can happen. People die of Covid more often than the flu... but not at the rate that is being reported. At least not that I have seen or that 90% of my coworkers have seen.
    You do realize how big the United States is right? I mean maybe wherever you are from those medical facilities didn't see a lot of cases and didn't experience much death but that's not the uniformed experience across the board. There are over 6,100 hospitals in the US. You and whoever you know are a blip on a radar. Not to mention, the demographic of the people getting the virus greatly matter in its severity. Densely populated cities have been significantly affected by this thing from their elderly community to their vast minority populations.

    I understand some skepticism because money is going to be a driving factor in exploiting COVID but its hard not to believe your stance about the amount of death isn't politically motivated, especially when its the same rhetoric coming from many Trump supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    I donít think have really shut down the economy, at least not nationally. Sure some states have overreacted and it costs them dearly (Basically the north east coast). Not only did they kill their elderly by mandating super sick contagious people go back into homes with other super immunocompromised elderly... but they told everyone that needed to work that they no longer could work, thereby creating a nanny state where the poor are dependent upon them.

    Itís really Liberal Politics 101. Itís what China is doing to poor countries in Africa and Asia... itís what Dems are doing to minorities.

    And youíre side is gonna win. I get it. I think DT is the last Republican president ever. We are slowly going to slide into democratic socialism and everything that America stood for in the world is going to cease to exist.

    Russia will take Europe and the Middle East and China will take Asia and Africa. The only thing stopping those two things from happening is The USA. And we all know it.
    I dont know, the way you describe the north east is just diff than how I see things. I think they had to lockdown, I dont think that was an over reaction. I think not locking down would have resulted in significantly more deaths. Actually, I dont think, I KNOW it would have. I can prove it by showing the numbers on the graph correlating with the lockdown.

    China already has Africa and South America. And they seem to be currently taking europe too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Yeah man... lol you donít have to teach me about what HIV does. But they way you chose to talk about it clearly showed that you just looked it up.
    lol, no I talked about it like that just to clarify to anyone what I meant by cell count, and why im saying particular cell counts are predictive for particular infections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The20thK View Post
    Lol youíre so wrong about the flu. Iím sorry Iím not trying to be rude but it is pretty clear that you donít know anything about these viruses. Or viruses in general I should say.
    lol, what?? The flu didnt grow exponentially in 1917 or whenever that **** hit?

    How the hell are you in health care?

    I was unaware that it was even up for debate. What are the other theories out there?

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    Last edited by nastynice; 08-09-2020 at 01:53 AM.
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