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  1. #5731
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    Knicks are in prime position to just let their Draft picks, 2nd, 3rd and 4th yr players play, to see what or who they are. The only guy who really HAS to go is Randle imo. Knicks need to make big decisions this coming summer and w/o with ample time on the court, how will we know who can play and who can't.

    Iggy
    Harper
    Knox
    Wooten
    Frank
    The 2 (1st round picks this yr.)

    These are 9 guys i think should play the majority of the minutes, including, Mitch and RJ. Yes, they'll probably struggle but so what. We have to figure out who's a keeper and who's not and none of us know that right now and I doubt the coaching staff does either. I'm positive that you and I have watched these guys over the yrs more than they have.

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    I still believe a move of Randle (18 mil) & DJ (4.5 mil) for Rose (7.5 Mil) & Wood (15 mil per) is a move that works for both teams for what both are trying to do.

    Rose has experience in Thibs systems and you need a PG who knows his system if you want to get ahead of the curve.

    Wood (24) is a late bloomer with the motor and skills to give a shot to for no more than 15mil per. Detroit has Early Bird so they can only start at some 4 mil, but technically can match offers.

    Randle doesn’t fit with him needing to be in the paint to be effective, he also regressed on his 3 pt shot and is not a defensive player who is capable enough or long enough to protect the rim either if you go small. So keeping Randle holds back Mitch from starting. Wood wouldn’t do that knowing he can space the defense with his shooting as long as he doesn’t regress and lets Mitch do what he does best.

    Wood best games was with the help off Rose feeding him on the second unit before both moved to the first unit and produced even more.

    We brought in Payne and Bryant to help speed up that process in development.

    Last year I was fine with Randle thinking he turned a corner but with the Knicks he reverted back to Laker type play incapable of playing center for long stretches.

    You give me a choice and I’ll take Wood with what he can provide if Payne can keep developing him over Randle any day and a bit smaller of a cost while getting back someone like Rose who can provide that knowledge to someone like Cole on how to work in Thibs system to the best of his abilities. Without loosing the penetration or pace of play in which both Cole and Rose play, there game is similar, why wouldn’t you want someone who has almost the same game on the same team as a PG.

    Have to take Frank off the ball and make him a pure 3&D and second ball-handler freeing up RJ to expand him game in other form besides having to create for others all the time and let him flourish at the 3.
    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
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  3. #5733
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    I’ll still take my chances with a young unit of

    Cole/Rose/??
    Frank/Holiday/??
    RJ/Knox/Bullock
    Wood/Harckless/Wooten
    Mitch/Taj/??

    Still need some vet presence on this team to help show these young players what it takes, and Thibs wants defensive minded players first over what they provide on O.

    Nothing here break bank or cost draft picks for the future. But it does start a building block for something that Thibs wants to instill which is defense.
    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
    ― Albert Einstein
    “I will be the first to admit that I am a pessimist by nature. It is, after all, the wisest way to be. We pessimists have everything to gain, whereas optimists have a fifty-fifty chance of being disappointed.”
    ― Tamar Myers
    “Don't let them drag you down by rumors just go with what you believe in.”
    ― Michael Jordan

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    Then why don't the Knicks go after Lonzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tg11 View Post
    Then why don't the Knicks go after Lonzo
    Cost to bring him would be to much, if your going to do that then you might as well shoot for the stars and attempt to get baby bro also to offset LaMelo garbage D and LaMelo covering Lonzo below average scoring ability. You can literally put both brothers together in the back court to offset each of there weakness.

    Also big bro can keep baby bro in check.
    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
    ― Albert Einstein
    “I will be the first to admit that I am a pessimist by nature. It is, after all, the wisest way to be. We pessimists have everything to gain, whereas optimists have a fifty-fifty chance of being disappointed.”
    ― Tamar Myers
    “Don't let them drag you down by rumors just go with what you believe in.”
    ― Michael Jordan

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    Trading for Lonzo Ball wouldn't cost the Knicks as much as what it's going to cost for LaMelo Ball.

    Maturity: Time abroad in Lithuania and Australia, LaMelo Ball learned he wasn't the center of the basketball world. Living/playing in Lithuania and Australia matured him. Not saying he is as mature as Kobe who lived in Italy a decent number of years but I think he has a poise that Lonzo does not.

    Teammate: Lonzo Ball isn't supported by his teammates. That's not to say, he's an antagonist but he's clearly not a leader. LaMelo Ball has lived abroad and learned to motivate, get the most out of his teammates.

    2 inch difference will enhance LaMelo Ball's game but Lonzo might be headed towards a break out season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Detfink View Post
    Trading for Lonzo Ball wouldn't cost the Knicks as much as what it's going to cost for LaMelo Ball.

    Maturity: Time abroad in Lithuania and Australia, LaMelo Ball learned he wasn't the center of the basketball world. Living/playing in Lithuania and Australia matured him. Not saying he is as mature as Kobe who lived in Italy a decent number of years but I think he has a poise that Lonzo does not.

    Teammate: Lonzo Ball isn't supported by his teammates. That's not to say, he's an antagonist but he's clearly not a leader. LaMelo Ball has lived abroad and learned to motivate, get the most out of his teammates.

    2 inch difference will enhance LaMelo Ball's game but Lonzo might be headed towards a break out season.
    Lonzo is only 22, his defense is better than most and his court vision for seeing the floor is as close to elite as it gets. This is where his value is.

    His offense is a mess, as he is only decent from behind the arc now. For someone his height 6’7 he is atrocious driving to the paint at times and getting buckets from the rim is almost non existent same as his mid-range.

    He is due for a contract soon and for his offensive limitation right now he will still command 20mil+. His trade value will be more than you think.

    The Knicks somehow find a way to overpay, don’t say we have a new FO and it won’t happen. This is the Knicks I don’t see anyone around the league giving out favors or helping them. Also NOP lost 4 1st round picks so I would assume they want to get back at least 2 1st or young player’s and a 1st.

    With Melo I wasn’t talking about off the court, I’m talking on the court. LaMelo can play defense when he is engaged and he tends to take a lot of risks on that side. He also has a tendency to not let the offense set up and can be quick to shoot, not saying he forces shots.

    This is where I say if you have a chance to get both, then take the risk. It’s like ying and yang with them, they both complement each other and both are over 6’7 with superior floor vision and passing skills. It would let LaMelo who is taller play off the ball at 2 and play secondary playmaker, without the pressure of running the offense. He can concentrate on what the Knicks will need from him, buckets.

    For all the positive in this pairing it’s a lot to give up and a high risk if it doesn’t produce more wins within those 3 years. Attempting for both would cost any combo of Randle, DJ, Frank, Knox and around 3-4 1st rounders. Would only cost that much if they are trying to keep RJ and Mitch. Only advantage is we have 2 that came from Dallas and 1 from the Clippers, it’s which picks and players to give up for attempting for both
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    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
    ― Albert Einstein
    “I will be the first to admit that I am a pessimist by nature. It is, after all, the wisest way to be. We pessimists have everything to gain, whereas optimists have a fifty-fifty chance of being disappointed.”
    ― Tamar Myers
    “Don't let them drag you down by rumors just go with what you believe in.”
    ― Michael Jordan

  8. #5738
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    Lonzo sux and he's due a large contract soon hard pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by east fb knicks View Post
    Lonzo sux and he's due a large contract soon hard pass
    Your evaluation on players “sux”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
    Knicks are in prime position to just let their Draft picks, 2nd, 3rd and 4th yr players play, to see what or who they are. The only guy who really HAS to go is Randle imo. Knicks need to make big decisions this coming summer and w/o with ample time on the court, how will we know who can play and who can't.

    Iggy
    Harper
    Knox
    Wooten
    Frank
    The 2 (1st round picks this yr.)

    These are 9 guys i think should play the majority of the minutes, including, Mitch and RJ. Yes, they'll probably struggle but so what. We have to figure out who's a keeper and who's not and none of us know that right now and I doubt the coaching staff does either. I'm positive that you and I have watched these guys over the yrs more than they have.
    Most of those players are going to crack the starting line up. They haven't played enough pro minutes to be ready to be depended on.

    Knox might be ready if Kenny Payne restores his killer instinct to slash/mid range jumper.

    Frank Ntilikina needs valuable 1:1 coaching in order to best utilize that freaky frame offensively.

    Quote Originally Posted by east fb knicks View Post
    Lonzo sux and he's due a large contract soon hard pass
    There are very few times when a reporter like Woj, whom is respected by the basketball world basically comes out and says a player is not long to stay on his second team.

    Ball definitely played uninspired basketball. Perhaps he went the Five Guys diet. Didn't keep in shape. Lonzo Ball definitely sucked harder than a Jenna Jameson porn with 5 garden hoses.

    My issue with Lonzo Ball is the fact, he's more concerned about "branding" than he is about improving his game. One way or another he's going to be playing in a big market. I think he wants out of New Orleans Pelicans, owned by the NOLA Saints who is their bread & butter.

    US Ballers are a whiny c#n%s and arrogant to presume there aren't players in other parts of the world who suffered even worse.

    Unlike Lonzo, LaMelo Ball got a good taste of what's life is like in the post Soviet era, having seen the quality of life in Lithuania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Detfink View Post
    Most of those players are going to crack the starting line up. They haven't played enough pro minutes to be ready to be depended on.

    Knox might be ready if Kenny Payne restores his killer instinct to slash/mid range jumper.

    Frank Ntilikina needs valuable 1:1 coaching in order to best utilize that freaky frame offensively.



    There are very few times when a reporter like Woj, whom is respected by the basketball world basically comes out and says a player is not long to stay on his second team.

    Ball definitely played uninspired basketball. Perhaps he went the Five Guys diet. Didn't keep in shape. Lonzo Ball definitely sucked harder than a Jenna Jameson porn with 5 garden hoses.

    My issue with Lonzo Ball is the fact, he's more concerned about "branding" than he is about improving his game. One way or another he's going to be playing in a big market. I think he wants out of New Orleans Pelicans, owned by the NOLA Saints who is their bread & butter.

    US Ballers are a whiny c#n%s and arrogant to presume there aren't players in other parts of the world who suffered even worse.

    Unlike Lonzo, LaMelo Ball got a good taste of what's life is like in the post Soviet era, having seen the quality of life in Lithuania.
    That Jenna line

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    Hi All - I have been unable to post on my other account (Swift n Sil3nt). It indicates that my account has either been disabled or not activated (1000+ posts). Do you know the easiest process for getting my account back actviated. Would love to rejoin the NY sports chatter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by east fb knicks View Post
    That Jenna line
    See? That was inspired posting. :lol:

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    Breaking News: The Houston Rockets have put Russell Westbrook on the trade block after Game 2 of the WCF.

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    Knicks fan tv stating Randle for Conley and draft considerations is a possible trade.

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