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  1. #4021
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett2010 View Post
    Lol I posted Bertans before I saw all of these Bertans posts. Hes got a lot of fans I see. I dont like to start Frank though. I like him coming off the bench as a defensive specialist.

    Another guy we can sign for depth is Harris.
    Some people must have stock in Frank because been trying put Frank in the starting lineup for years. Frank is not a starter in this league and it's been proven over the last 4 yrs. He is nothing more than a solid role player every team needs. Besides him and Barrett would be absolutely horrible in the starting lineup because in this league you not winning games with 1or 2 shooters you need multiple it's a 3 pt league now and Frank seldom even shoots 3's and hardly ever goes to the rack..no thanks bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    bertans sucks on D but i'd take him. he's a modern day, souped up Novak.

    If Thibs is really our guy I think we can have a real good defense with Mitch, RJ & Frank. and if we draft Cole add him there too.

    Mitch
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    RJ
    Frank
    Cole

    I can live with that. 4+ defenders, 1 lethal shooter, 1 good shooter. and RJ & Frank should be solid enough.
    Stop it with Frank in the starting lineup he's just a good role player and he and Barrett in the starting lineup would be horrible the Knicks would be playing from behind all the time with that lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.L.ugger View Post
    Any news or video on Dennis Smith? I'm not ready to give up on the kid. He get his mind and body right, dare I say MIP Award lol
    I heard he is fat, lazy, and can’t hit a jump shot


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  4. #4024
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    Quote Originally Posted by smood999 View Post
    The Knicks can afford to give a long term, $15 million + contract to one player which means only one of FVV, Wood or Gallo.

    My vote would be FVV especially if they draft one of the bigger PGs (Ball or Hayes).

    I hate being optimistic and this team doesn’t deserve the benefit of anything, but there is a path for them to be pretty good starting with the 2021-22 season, but it will require not spending on two guys like FVV and Wood or Gallo. One guy, trade Randle and it becomes possible.

    That’s why guys like Saric, Melo, Baynes, Chris Boucher, and Derrick Jones are appealing to me. They can potentially build a nice shell and supporting cast for whoever they add in the 2021 draft and free agency.
    The team can afford more than one sizeable contract. We could do 2, and still have space to go shopping the year after.

    There’s literally not one guaranteed contract on the roster after next season, besides this year and next years picks. And obviously we wouldn’t renounce RJ/Mitch/etc.. but I’m just saying we have plenty of room

    But I wouldn’t be against guys like you mentioned. Saric or Baynes are interesting. I’d also throw Kaminsky and Jerami Grant in that pool
    Last edited by ShadyOne; 07-14-2020 at 06:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    The team can afford more than one sizeable contract. We could do 2, and still have space to go shopping the year after.

    There’s literally not one guaranteed contract on the roster after next season, besides this year and next years picks. And obviously we wouldn’t renounce RJ/Mitch/etc.. but I’m just saying we have plenty of room

    But I wouldn’t be against guys like you mentioned. Saric or Baynes are interesting. I’d also throw Kaminsky and Jerami Grant in that pool
    Who was the last big free agent to sign with a team without a second player joining or an avenue to get that second player?

    I don’t want to go down this road again, but based on the people they’ve brought in, I think they are going to try to maximize their opportunities in free agency while drafting well and there’s clearly potential to strike big in 2021 between really strong draft and free agency classes.

    Some may not want to hear about free agency, but we all know that they are going to take their shot again. That can’t happen with more than one somewhat large contract especially with the likelihood of the cap remaining stagnant or even lowering.

    I think they will sign at most one long term player this offseason with the other signings being small and/or one year contracts again.
    Last edited by smood999; 07-14-2020 at 08:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smood999 View Post
    Who was the last big free agent to sign with a team without a second player joining or an avenue to get that second player?

    I don’t want to go down this road again, but based on the people they’ve brought in, I think they are going to try to maximize their opportunities in free agency while drafting well and there’s clearly potential to strike big in 2021 between really strong draft and free agency classes.

    Some may not want to hear about free agency, but we all know that they are going to take their shot again. That can’t happen with more than one somewhat large contract especially with the likelihood of the cap remaining stagnant or even lowering.

    I think they will sign at most one long term player this offseason with the other signings being small and/or one year contracts again.
    Trying the 2 big FA signing move is useless at this point. Especially since looking at the list, who’s the 2 max guys we are going after, that will move anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trueknickfan View Post
    Some people must have stock in Frank because been trying put Frank in the starting lineup for years. Frank is not a starter in this league and it's been proven over the last 4 yrs. He is nothing more than a solid role player every team needs. Besides him and Barrett would be absolutely horrible in the starting lineup because in this league you not winning games with 1or 2 shooters you need multiple it's a 3 pt league now and Frank seldom even shoots 3's and hardly ever goes to the rack..no thanks bro.
    I don’t disagree with any of this.

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    If the Knicks want to be serious players in FA they will have to overpay. Im fine with that as long as its the right type of players. I would be interested in guys who can shoot the ball and move it. Bertans, Bogs, and Harris are some names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    Trying the 2 big FA signing move is useless at this point. Especially since looking at the list, who’s the 2 max guys we are going after, that will move anywhere?
    I was of the belief last year that teams couldn’t get one without getting two or having the means to do that. It played out that way (even surprisingly with the Clippers) and I still believe that to be true moving forward. In my mind, going after one is essentially going after multiple and I think the Knicks will purposely maintain flexibility for that reason.

    This year’s free agency class doesn’t offer that, which is why I expect them to be bad again for one more season, but maybe not as much of a joke, and then make some sort of big move next year (trade, free agent signing, or both).

    The difference is that I don’t think they’ll limit themselves to just the single biggest target (Giannis). It won’t be just about him like it would’ve been in years past.

    Also, I wouldn’t be shocked if Anthony Davis signed a 1+1 to hit free agency in 2021 which would add to the players already available. LeBron will be turning 37 shortly after that season starts.

    I don’t typically have hope for these things, but you don’t bring in Rose and WWW if this wasn’t the thinking. If they were going to build solely through the draft, they could’ve brought any other no name in. I think the hope is that they’ll be smarter about how they maneuver to accomplish this (ex. not going all in before knowing what’s happening).
    Last edited by smood999; 07-14-2020 at 09:36 AM.

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    Would anybody be in favor of taking on Horford's contract, if it meant getting their 1st rd pick and moving Randle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.L.ugger View Post
    Would anybody be in favor of taking on Horford's contract, if it meant getting their 1st rd pick and moving Randle?
    Hell no. Hard pass on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.L.ugger View Post
    Would anybody be in favor of taking on Horford's contract, if it meant getting their 1st rd pick and moving Randle?
    No because their pick is too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett2010 View Post
    If the Knicks want to be serious players in FA they will have to overpay. Im fine with that as long as its the right type of players. I would be interested in guys who can shoot the ball and move it. Bertans, Bogs, and Harris are some names.
    That is a horrible idea you never overpay it just makes you look desperate

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    Quote Originally Posted by east fb knicks View Post
    That is a horrible idea you never overpay it just makes you look desperate
    Noone will come otherwise. I'm not saying hand out a max to a guy like Bertans but there is definitely a type of penalty for expecting a FA to choose the Knicks over a playoff team or championship contender.

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    Realistic 2020-21 Roster and how the Knicks get there:

    Leon Rose will hire Tom Thibodeau first...

    Rose will then have Perry trade Julius Randle, DSJ and this years 2nd round pick for Chris Paul... Thibs will love coaching CP3, Frank and Mitch on defense...

    Knicks unfortunately won't be able to draft LaMelo Ball...

    Knicks will use their first pick on Deni because he is the type of player the Knicks have a history of drafting.

    Knicks sign Joe Harris, Dotson and keep Taj Gibson in Free Agency...

    Knicks bring up Iggy, Wooten, Harper from the Gleague and sign them to 2 year contracts with a team option...

    Knicks add one Dallas pick along with the Clippers pick to move up and draft Kira Lewis at #17...

    Start of 2020-21 season at Christmas this year:

    CP3 / Kira / Harper
    RJ / Frank / Dotson
    Harris / Knox / Iggy
    Deni / Knox / Wooten
    Mitch / Taj / Wooten

    Again don't undervalue what the Miami Heat did with G-league guys like Nunn and Robinson this season. Harper could easily be our Nunn and Joe Harris came from the D-league years ago.

    Kira just turned 19 and would learn the NBA game under one of the greatest point guards of all time.

    That is a good versatile defensive young team for Thibs to work with and development like he did that Bulls team.

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