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  1. #361
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    Quote Originally Posted by IRNMN View Post
    Its a bit of a risk bringing in an outside player with COVID, but really sounds like a hopeful farewell tour for Tramon. If he is healthy good depth move. Very worst case a veteran who's been here before. Hopefully we can get him one more ring.
    I'm just busting your balls man

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    Yea, I'm okay okay bringing him back if it works. Depth never hurts and if he's willing to sign to the practice squad and be elevated as needed, that would be great.

    Also, this is a semi minor thing, but given the struggles of our special teams, having a guy who knows how to catch a punt isn't the worst thing.

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    Just saw Ted Thompson passed away last night.

    Former Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson has died at the age of 68, according to multiple media reports.

    Very sad news. Just heard from two sources that former #Packers GM Ted Thompson died last night. He had just turned 68 on Jan. 17.

    ó Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 21, 2021
    RIP Ted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRNMN View Post
    Just saw Ted Thompson passed away last night.



    RIP Ted.
    this should get it's own thread. he made Green Bay world champions. i'm not his biggest fan obviously but he did many great things as GM.

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    Potential insight into Rodgers hinting yesterday

    Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was sending a message to the team with his post-game comments after Sundayís loss to the Buccaneers in the NFC Championship. The message likely had multiple tentacles.

    Hereís one. Per a league source, Rodgers wants a new contract.

    Rodgers*should*want a new contract. He makes $33.5 million per year. Heís going to win the 2020 NFL MVP award. And heís getting into the later years of his last deal, which will pay him far less in comparison to other quarterbacks.

    Heís due to make $22.35 million in 2021, $25.5 million in 2022, and $25.5 million in 2023.

    Rodgers currently ranks fifth in average new-money value, behind Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes ($45 million), Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson ($39 million), Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson ($35 million), and Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger ($34 million).

    Rodgers earns the same amount as Rams quarterback Jared Goff. Which means that Rodgers is grossly underpaid, Goff is grossly overpaid, or both. (Both.)

    Rodgers has a cap number in excess of $37 million for 2021, but a new contract easily could reduce it. A new deal also would reflect the teamís commitment to Rodgers over the next few years, based on the guaranteed payments and the cap consequences arising from cutting or trading him.

    If Rodgers officially asks for a new contract, heíll definitely get one thing: Clarity as to where he stands. A new deal means renewed vows. No new deal means the clock will still tick toward a potential, if not inevitable, divorce.

    While Rodgers may want more (especially as it relates to efforts to improve the team), one thing he wants ó and deserves ó is a new contract.
    This could be an interesting twist, but seems to indicate what Rodgers was indicating yesterday. A new deal would help the cap. Obviously not a straight forward matter. Though it sounds like nothing was officially said, Rodgers has indicated he wants to retire a Packer.

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    Shawn Mennenga officially out an ST coordinator. No surprise, the unit was pretty rough. Hopefully, they can get someone to maximize JK Scott and who can maximize coverage.

    Also saw that Pettine's contract is up so that announcement might come in the form of them just outright naming a new DC. I don't see any reason they would offer him another deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRNMN View Post
    Shawn Mennenga officially out an ST coordinator. No surprise, the unit was pretty rough. Hopefully, they can get someone to maximize JK Scott and who can maximize coverage.

    Also saw that Pettine's contract is up so that announcement might come in the form of them just outright naming a new DC. I don't see any reason they would offer him another deal.
    Agree on the ST coach. I don't know that we have great personnel for special teams right now, but it really doesn't matter. Our coverage and return units can't be that awful and then bring that guy back. I hope we actually draft someone with some wiggle and return skills, but our blocking needs to get a ton better too. Hopefully a new coordinator has some ideas. It feels like it's been ages since we've had a decent special teams group outside of Crosby.

    And pettine makes sense. Let him walk and both sides can say they elected to part ways. I just hope whoever we bring in brings some pressure. We have a few holes but we also have a few pretty darn good players. Jaire is an all pro caliber guy. Clark is a stud. Z was a DPOY candidate last year and still pretty darn good this year. Amos is as solid as it gets. Savage and Gary look like players. Let's see if someone can figure out how to maximize those guys.

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    I think this draft coming up we can actually be pretty balanced in our picks. We got holes on O and D. Just nice not being desperate on one side of the ball.

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    I also will say last year we were desperate at WR and ILB. I think we have done a good job of calming those fears. Granted we didnít draft a Wr but they were right in that we have a solid core. They have their flaws but itís solid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    Agree on the ST coach. I don't know that we have great personnel for special teams right now, but it really doesn't matter. Our coverage and return units can't be that awful and then bring that guy back. I hope we actually draft someone with some wiggle and return skills, but our blocking needs to get a ton better too. Hopefully a new coordinator has some ideas. It feels like it's been ages since we've had a decent special teams group outside of Crosby.

    And pettine makes sense. Let him walk and both sides can say they elected to part ways. I just hope whoever we bring in brings some pressure. We have a few holes but we also have a few pretty darn good players. Jaire is an all pro caliber guy. Clark is a stud. Z was a DPOY candidate last year and still pretty darn good this year. Amos is as solid as it gets. Savage and Gary look like players. Let's see if someone can figure out how to maximize those guys.
    Weíve had problems on STís ever since weíve been so committed to the draft and develop philosophy. Our bottom roster guys make up the bulk of our STís units. We donít put mid level, swing type vets out on stís. This is where keeping guys like Micah Hyde would be really beneficial. We donít go get a solid return guy. Our returner is usually a backup that doesnít otherwise see much action. I donít care who the STís coach is, nothing will change as long as weíre putting our worst players out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfishguy85 View Post
    Weíve had problems on STís ever since weíve been so committed to the draft and develop philosophy. Our bottom roster guys make up the bulk of our STís units. We donít put mid level, swing type vets out on stís. This is where keeping guys like Micah Hyde would be really beneficial. We donít go get a solid return guy. Our returner is usually a backup that doesnít otherwise see much action. I donít care who the STís coach is, nothing will change as long as weíre putting our worst players out there
    I mean thats what virtually every team does, we are not unique in that sense. A few teams occasionally have a designated special teams guy, but it's not like teams have a bunch of special teams only guys. Some teams sign a designated returner as well, which we would benefit from. But our blocking is bad too.

    And honestly, if wr brought Micah Hyde back he'd be a starting safety. Very unlikely we'd have him returning punts and kicks.

    I agree our specials have been had for a long time. But coaching has to be a part of that. We aren't unique in the design of our special teams. Almost every team is primarily a combo of TEs, LBs, DBs and WRs as their primary coverage or return units. Some kick return units include a OL or 2, but it's always those positions. And every team has massive turnover at those spots every year and not many teams are consistently this bad.

    And we do have special teams primary guys. Oren Burks is primarily a special teamer. That #34 we had in the playoffs was signed and activated as a DB over Hollman and Jackson because of special teams. I agree our personnel is part of the issue, but personnel changes every year and our ineptitude doesn't. So obviously coaching has to be a part of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    I mean thats what virtually every team does, we are not unique in that sense. A few teams occasionally have a designated special teams guy, but it's not like teams have a bunch of special teams only guys. Some teams sign a designated returner as well, which we would benefit from. But our blocking is bad too.

    And honestly, if wr brought Micah Hyde back he'd be a starting safety. Very unlikely we'd have him returning punts and kicks.

    I agree our specials have been had for a long time. But coaching has to be a part of that. We aren't unique in the design of our special teams. Almost every team is primarily a combo of TEs, LBs, DBs and WRs as their primary coverage or return units. Some kick return units include a OL or 2, but it's always those positions. And every team has massive turnover at those spots every year and not many teams are consistently this bad.

    And we do have special teams primary guys. Oren Burks is primarily a special teamer. That #34 we had in the playoffs was signed and activated as a DB over Hollman and Jackson because of special teams. I agree our personnel is part of the issue, but personnel changes every year and our ineptitude doesn't. So obviously coaching has to be a part of that.
    My point with hyde is he could have been a slot cb, fill in/hybrid safety and a stud stís guy- not necessarily a return man. We had room for him, but instead we let him walk and probably had some udfa playing stís instead.

    I dont understand how you can say equivocally that its coaching since the personnel changes every year. Weíve had garbage stís under 3 straight stís coaches. The organization just doesnt place much emphasis on stís. Whether its coaching or personnel decisions, stís are an afterthought. Were only interested in stís being just good enough that it doesnt lose the game for us, not in those units actually being any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfishguy85 View Post
    My point with hyde is he could have been a slot cb, fill in/hybrid safety and a stud stís guy- not necessarily a return man. We had room for him, but instead we let him walk and probably had some udfa playing stís instead.

    I dont understand how you can say equivocally that its coaching since the personnel changes every year. Weíve had garbage stís under 3 straight stís coaches. The organization just doesnt place much emphasis on stís. Whether its coaching or personnel decisions, stís are an afterthought. Were only interested in stís being just good enough that it doesnt lose the game for us, not in those units actually being any good.
    What are other organizations doing to focus on special teams then? Very few have legit return specialists. Very few keep actual special teamers year after year. Guus like Slater for New England are absolutely the exception and not the rule. Every single team fills their special teams units with back of the roster guys. And we do make roster decisions based on special teams as well. Even recently we've kept guys like Crawford at ilb strictly for special teams. But very few teams keep those types of guys year after year.

    We drafted a punter in the 5th round. We drafted a long snapper. We have one of the highest paid kickers in the league. We consistently keep h-baxk type tight ends, who are typically special teams guys. Our 5th/6th wr pick usually has at least some special teams implications. We make active roster decisions on DBs with special teams in mind, which is why Josh Jackson was a healthy scratch most weeks.

    Like I said, outside of a return specialist, what are we not doing that other teams are doing? Everyone has massive turnover in the bottom quarter of the roster each year and every team primarily uses those types to fill special teams units.

    Also, Hyde signed a deal worth $6 mill per year. You're not signing a guy for that type of money to be a core special teamer. Not saying we shouldn't have signed him, but that's starting safety money, not hybrid defender and special reamer money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    What are other organizations doing to focus on special teams then? Very few have legit return specialists. Very few keep actual special teamers year after year. Guus like Slater for New England are absolutely the exception and not the rule. Every single team fills their special teams units with back of the roster guys. And we do make roster decisions based on special teams as well. Even recently we've kept guys like Crawford at ilb strictly for special teams. But very few teams keep those types of guys year after year.

    We drafted a punter in the 5th round. We drafted a long snapper. We have one of the highest paid kickers in the league. We consistently keep h-baxk type tight ends, who are typically special teams guys. Our 5th/6th wr pick usually has at least some special teams implications. We make active roster decisions on DBs with special teams in mind, which is why Josh Jackson was a healthy scratch most weeks.

    Like I said, outside of a return specialist, what are we not doing that other teams are doing? Everyone has massive turnover in the bottom quarter of the roster each year and every team primarily uses those types to fill special teams units.

    Also, Hyde signed a deal worth $6 mill per year. You're not signing a guy for that type of money to be a core special teamer. Not saying we shouldn't have signed him, but that's starting safety money, not hybrid defender and special reamer money.
    Youre saying this is a simple coaching change issue. Weve done that multiple times and it has changed absolutely nothing. My only point is that there clearly is something else to the equation and more is going to have to change than just the stís coordinator. Weve had one of the worst stís units in the league for a decade now, over the course if 3 different stís coordinators. I just find it hard to believe that weve hired outright terrible coaches 3 times in a row.

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